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Seriously, if people want to be d-bags and screw each other over constantly in the share market, fine, just make it a separate marketplace and have a "safe haven" for those who want to buy and hold then you don't need any "rules".

lemao08
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17/07/2015 22:26

@yallit Where will the money come from? And not forget, they already did it and bought 400k$ in shares last year, and now its a "ponzi element" in the results.

mriley
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17/07/2015 22:28

I do know it was rather humorous the day Marc was named CEO and the price doubled or so and those on the sidelines who had just sold were whining like schoolgirls it wasn't "fair" because they didn't know....No such thing as a free lunch...

orhan1337
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17/07/2015 22:30

Mriley,

During that time, I even saw a post of some guy complaining that the prices of shares were too high.

druth8x
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17/07/2015 22:36

Yeah. So it was Marc...knew it was Marc or Passive.
Didn't make since to be Passive, but I wasn't sure.

I didn't want to name names without being sure.
So, "big shareholder", has to suffice in those cases.

Ricardoalina
Traffic Value: $509.03945 Spain

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17/07/2015 22:40

The problem I see is, that we value the business in the investment made, the shares now are worthless because they haven't the real value of the business that is in the revenues, because this business, if have a lot of investments, but no revenues, IS WORTHLESS, THE REAL VALUE IS IN DAILY REVENUES, if we want to show THE REAL PRICE of shares we must to use the DAILY REVENUES to give to shares the real value and show the value of the business, I know i'm over-repeating, but i'm not get tired, until I see an opinion from Marc/Slosumo about this.

Think one thing, we really want that the value of our business is based on investments?

Even some companies, after the phase of the startup, uses it's own revenues to develop/upgrade their services, not necesarily from outside/investments money.

Always we can try to change the procedure of dividends for 1 week and see the results, you will look a good change.

swoleman
Traffic Value: $1,517.81278 United States

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17/07/2015 22:42

yallit

Non movement in the share market can happen any time. I see it every day. Sometimes it's due to deadlock/manipulation. Most of the time it just stalls, like today. I don't think we should be concerned about a deadlock. We should be more concerned about price manipulation that drives the prices down for no apparent reason.........something the big money players do with help from co-conspirators.

yallit
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17/07/2015 22:53

@lemao08, The PV business model sets aside $0.5 for every 1 ad campaign bought. The $0.5 will then be invested in the FT 240 or used to buy shares and sell it at a higher price. The profit gained by doing so will be used for daily ad issue. Seeing that the FTQ is slow moving, the best way to go is for PV to buy shares instead of investing in the FT. That being said, I checked into PV's history and it looks like it's no longer following the business model. Paidverts account is no longer investing in the FT nor is it buying shares. It seems like all the revenue from PV are now being used for the daily ad issue and the random ads to clear out those old campaigns.

IMO, we should stick with the business model and any top-up figures for the ad issue should be written off from the development funds. Of course, we need to have a liquidity report to know exactly how much we have left in our development funds, so we can appropriate the right budget.

lg1500
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17/07/2015 22:53

MarcdeKoning

you need to do punish 1 % fee for delete offer under 24 hours, not pernament lock

ivan4ooo
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17/07/2015 22:55

Hello, this is my idea. Someone might have already posted it but I was lazy to read ( only to page 4 ) so excuse me if I say the same thing someone other has already done.
It's simple : At one day you can only buy or only sell shares.
- 1 buy/sell at share market
- 1 buy/sell at BAP market
If I buy shares with money I can only buy that day , and can't sell. If I sell it's the same - I can only keep selling, but not buying. And the same with BAP market.

That way you can't use "your own manipulation on the market". If you want to manipulate , you will need someone to crash price for you and then you buy, but that way the manipulator doesn't win anything. Sure, manipulation is still available but you need a group of people and far better organisation and also gets pretty complicated. C:
Also , this helps with problem with daytraders as it would be a total bet whether the price will rise or fall.
note : This 1 day period would be nice to be personal for everyone. Else, if it always resets at let's say 15 o'clock server time , one may start manipulating at 14:45 and drive price down and after 15 min will be able to buy. - edit ( it will also be the same with personal timers )
edit 1 : Also, buying or selling at the last 2 hours of this 1 day period may be prohibited for that same reason.

networker5
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17/07/2015 23:16

another way to root out manipulation is to remove the option to cancel the order.

when someone makes a purchase or sale puts because I really want to buy or sell it dont repent later or change of opinion, as well as purchases and bulk sales no return so that you can cancel an order or sale why error?

3 by that rule could also repent and claim once sold stocks because I made a mistake? NO

I think removing the options to cancel an order is more than enough to have a clean market without manipulation

another way is to add a tax each time you want to cancel the order it brings more income but I think that the more obstacles are put on the market is worse and remember that the market is good for mtv.

but it is good when it is real, when orders are false or lanterns, nothing better to remove the option to cancel orders, who ventures into the market has to think carefully before making before doing so.

so if you can add a stop lost as in normal market.

DC27
Traffic Value: $588.14759 United States

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17/07/2015 23:22

This is what I've been saying for a while. There should be some set limit or even fees involved for those that put up a sale to only push the price down.

I would prefer a limit on the amount of times you can list per 24 hours. I've seen numerous users post up something and then when the price starts to lower. They get rid of their first sale and then go down even further in price. They keep doing it until the price gets extremely low.

I understand the strategy but it is doing a little bit more harm and a lot of good for those that choose to manipulate. The only ones that complain about this change are the ones manipulating and benefiting from it.

hispanomc
Traffic Value: $9,334.85757 Spain

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17/07/2015 23:26

Thinking it twice... i think no measure is needed. Maybe setting a limit of max shares that can be listed at a certain price per user, if you want to sell more shares than allowed, sit and wait (and place sell orders everytime your previous offer is filled) or bulk sell. o

We cannot have an undervaluated price for ever. That will call new investors. Do not care about the price right now, why it is important? it is important for the company image and for those who want to cashout and leave. I also would like a share price of $500 per share, then i will sell and run with the money. But i'll wait patiently.

If one day we have thousands of employees, cash, projects, offices... and we have a 0.01 share price i will find the money to buy everything, do not worry

The company image... i think right now, with our current market/memberbase it is more attractive this price than a higher one. In the future could be a problem, i do not think it is right now. At least not important/high priority.

MichaelKline
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17/07/2015 23:28

How about a fee scale, based on the shares traded in any one transaction? The higher the number, the higher the fee?

consistent
Traffic Value: $59,525.25001 Philippines

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17/07/2015 23:32

1% cancellation fee for cancelling a sale or bid within 24 hours is a good suggestion.

Virginiadick
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17/07/2015 23:33

@Gizmo

seifersouls
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17/07/2015 23:34

@Marc

I'm sorry, may disturb some people with my comment, but i'm not a big shareholder, I don't have big packets or big investments but anyways i'm okay with the sistem as it is, market manipulation it's part of the risk, it's part of the job, so i have made some money into it, i have some loses to, that's the game, most of the people have to now this, if you want security do not get into share markets, what you are trying to do it shouldn't exist, there is no such a thing as safe fast income, you have to work for it and take risks that's the call. Even so, if you invest some money and the market goes down you could sell it for baps and still earn something to void some losing. shares won't be up until they really pay off, that's a fact, people is interested in buying shares at 0.009 cuz at the current income it can pay you back in 10-14 months nobody is interested in buying at 0.3 to get paid his investment in 10 years, it's not a good call.

I'm ok with putting a bigger fee cuz that may increase revenue and bigger revenues means bigger shareprices, but i'm not okey with trying to force shares to go up, that's not smart, people who wan't safe do not gamble in games, do not invest in shares market, people who want fast, and will and can take the risk, take it. That's here and anywhere, that's the world.

there is market manipulation for sure, i know it but when prices go to low, people get interest in buying becouse they know their money it's going to be back even if they don't trade, but if the prices go up to much nobody it's going to buy.

so place some fees for big amount of shares to sell, or to buy but and that will raise the shares a little bit, and it's going to make people more interested in buying shares

Nethol
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17/07/2015 23:47

I noticed today that there was some money missing from my balance... This is weird. It was probably less than 0.10 but it is still a little weird. The other thing I noticed was that I lost at least 10% in my fast track queue. It was going up by about .05% every day or so and I was at 99.6% or so done but now I am down to somewhere in the 80% area. What gives? Did I miss something? I checked the daily news the last few days but I didn't see anything...

yallit
Traffic Value: $2,148.94717 Philippines

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17/07/2015 23:47

@swoleman, the deadlock I was referring to is the scenario wherein the same person is in the top list for both sell and buy sections.

seifersouls
Traffic Value: $113.22286 Venezuela

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17/07/2015 23:58

@mriley

I don't get it, people want safe and fast money, that's greedy, the market as it is, is not too risk i buy some shares at 0.0174 and i buy like 7 dolars, is not much but i'm not a big investor, so if i sell those shares in the bap market at the current price i will get 20k baps, or 10$ as it is. Don't get people complaining about the manipulation, can't make u lose that much, and can make you earn a lot if you play it right.

It should be some extra fees so the guys with a lot of shares don't play rich for a long time, or every 5 seconds, but look at the candles they couldn't get it lower than 0.005 and they couldn't hold it for a long time, that means that they force the price to go lower than the real price, that's the market.

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