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Catt:
I understand what you are saying, however, MTV shares are not in anyway set up like corporate shares. These are simply 'commodity' shares. You determine the value of a share [the commodity] at the point of purchase and you determine it's profit/loss at the point of sale, not the company or it's business practices. Even revenues have no impact on the share, as FTQ investments are what pay for dividends.

Personally, I like the concept of this share market. I just wish I was better at making money with it.

Axiantor
Traffic Value: $14,813.95087 Portugal

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17/07/2015 20:13

Putting some rules on the share market will only make it more fair but wont enhance the business.

...and even if portfolio/paidverts bought a lot of shares that wouldn't make the price go higher, only for moments. As long as there's small revenues there will be always users willing to sell their shares lower and therefore lowering the share price as that's the meaning of a bearish trend.

Talking about dividends. Having 100k shares which are about $1200 right now and $1 each month it's $12 a year meaning 1% a year. We could call it interesting but nothing more. As that's why price is like it is.

Nevertheless i would go with reforming a bit the share market:

1. The 24h rule ASAP
2. Increase the BAP fee. Taking a little bit more debt and discouraging the BAP exchange so PV sells more.
3. Double share price fee to 0.5%. Let's increase this revenue and discourage the sellers.

I'm not a market expert but my point would be to take this lobby grupet and use it as an advantage to the business. Go figure how

And of course thiago is a smart ass

We have a lot of smart people, brainy people, paki people, whining people and small people. We need every user and that's why MTV is so great.

Just keep doing a great work as you all are doing it!

Catt
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17/07/2015 20:20

@Michael
if we want to keep it as an alternative share market project, then we shouldn´t try to pretend it is a real one... you can be either one thing or another.. I have nothing against any of the possibilities... just wish we decided on one already.

olddudesaja
Traffic Value: $3,769.02364 Norway

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17/07/2015 20:21

Here is what we can do:
If buy stock or place bid or buy so much you want. After you bought and want to sale. 2-4 hours buffer, Until you are allowed to sale any stock (and vise versa)
same thing if u sale. after last list to sale or last sold, wait 2-4 hours before allowed to buy shares.

This could work, but if 3-4 of the biggest share holders work together they could break that.So in addition, what about a limit on 100.000 shares on selling stock, if every stock is sold, they can sell more after 2 hours.
-please feel free to tweak my idea until it fits what the MTV members want

(free market is great, but this isn't real stocks my stockbroker could sell. )

killa-007
Traffic Value: $11,038.09657 Slovenia

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17/07/2015 20:23

well thatever happens happens. Lets go a bit off topic

Tonight i'll be posting some very nice pictures again, and it will show another preview of a project that has been unannounced until now. Be sure to watch as i'll be posting them on my facebook.

We wanna see your preview Marc

smselim
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17/07/2015 20:33

Dear ceo marc, I think very carefully about share market... no.1/ If you really want to stoop manipulate share price then please do proper audit actually your company valuation and present market price of share and set price minimum bid $.20c to high. no 2/if shareholders sell share they cannot buy within 3 days. also you can set rules like big shareholders can not sell there share at a time maximum sell per day limit. if my idea is not like you please do not use ..

[MOD EDIT : remove excessive formatting - Missi]

Axiantor
Traffic Value: $14,813.95087 Portugal

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17/07/2015 20:36

...and

@Marc

We want to see slosumo and infoModel eating bananas too.

Let's have a nice evening

hispanomc
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17/07/2015 20:39

In my honest opinion there's only one thing that can be done to "control" a bit the sharemarket without being incredibly unfair.

Lets add a new "share trading fee" that will be charged when you place your sale offer or buy bid. For example a fee of 0.25% if you "want" to sell 1,000,000 shares and you place a sale offer you'll be charged with a non-refundable 0.25% fee. Then if you sell those shares you'll be charged again the current 0.25% fee.

In order not to annoy real sellers i would charge that fee only when you remove your offer, so if you are really trying to sell you will only pay 0.25%. Then to remove your offer you should have avaible cash in your balance to be able to pay the fee.

Fake sellers will pay same fee as real sellers. That should seem fair to everyone.

The same should be applied to buyers. If you want to remove your buy bid you'll have to pay that fee.

IMHO this will work better than the 24h rule, as that could be really anoying. Imagine a very volatile price as we have had several times here, maybe i would be trying to sell or buy and as the price is moving quickly i'll need to remove my offer and place it at the new price. If i cannot do it for 24h i might loose my oportunity to sell/buy.

This could be combined with a max % of total shares to be sold per day and user. Lets say a 1% daily limit per user. For example in order to sell +1% of the company you should accept bids as you would not be able to place a buy bid or offer sale of +5M shares.

In my honest opinion active buys/sells should not be affected by any new fee/rule.

Also you must realize short term trading is not "bad" nor "unfair". Its a way to earn money. The real problem with mtv sharemarket is its density when we find a stable price, making almost impossible to go up or down. Charging a fee for "passive" buyers/sellers should reduce the density of shares/money needed to go up or down: wherever the demand and supply wants to take us.

Please, understand it is REALLY important not to annoy bigger fish as thanks to their money this site was builded: scaring them with a big sharemarket control can be terrible to our "inside" economy.

EDIT: btw, imo the 24h rule will change anything. Indeed it will make easier to manipulate the market, as i think most of us do not undercut any roadblock cause it could be fake. If we can be sure the price will be a certain price for at least 24h most of us will sell trying to look for a drop. So the drop will be higher. I might be wrong... but i have the feeling that 24h rule will not easily change anything but make it even worse.

Virginiadick
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17/07/2015 20:51

What is this so called "fake selling". if i place a bid to sell @$0.0124 and change my mind to sell lower or higher depending on how quick i need the funds, whats fake selling about this.
Samething if i want to buy Shares @$0.009 and am impatient enough for my bid to fill and i change my mind and buy at current price is that also fake buying

hispanomc
Traffic Value: $9,334.85757 Spain

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17/07/2015 20:54

they are talking about people like thiago virginiadick, that they place a sale offer of 1M shares to remove it half an hour later without selling anything, because he was just testing undercutters (panick sellers and "clever" (or at least they think so) traders)

vultcult
Traffic Value: $437.32954 Portugal

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17/07/2015 20:54

I vote YES for the 24h option. It would be great, to stop users to manipulate the market. Unfortunately, I believe that it wouldn't stop all the manipulation. It will still be possible for big shareholders to block the market for 24h. If a big shareholder put sale offer of 8 million shares, the shareholder can, this way, create a roadblock. Of course, it will be risky for that shareholder, but it is still possible to manipulate sharemarket this way.

I think it would be useful to warn users that trying to manipulate the sharemarket can result in a permanent account ban, with some clear rules.

Stephanos9
Traffic Value: $1,685.19331 Cyprus

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17/07/2015 20:56

Virginiadick
I could explain you but watching almost all the people attacking like monsters on the truth, i admit i was wrong not to speak from the beginning, that was my mistake, watching them spreading lies to the others, i profited too and asked sorry from the people that got lied as well, that's my whole story. My bad. (that i kept my mouth closed and took advantage for some time and profited with them).

yallit
Traffic Value: $2,148.94717 Philippines

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17/07/2015 21:12

@MarcdeKoning,
For the 24 hour lock, I would suggest providing an option that members can remove their listing (within 24 hours) but they will have to pay the total fee first.

Another thing you might want to consider is raising the selling fee from 0.25% to 0.9%. This will prevent a member from having the top spots in both the sell and buy sections at the same time.

networker5
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17/07/2015 21:18

http://www.mytrafficvalue.com/forum/brainstorm/just_fast_and_efficient_market/1.html#p347647

Here is my idea for a fairer and more fluid market.

I'm no great expert but I think my idea can greatly help both mtv as large and small shareholders, logically not be perfect and most likely it accept any ideas for improvement or change.

santhoshi
Traffic Value: $2,194.18215 India

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17/07/2015 21:28

hey slosumo your pic or any facebook id we need to know you and any facebook id of carlos

Hoppa61
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17/07/2015 21:41

I was going to like hispanomc's post, but I only like half of it.

The pull-back fee would be a good tool. Everytime somebody removes his bid or sell, they should be charged 0,25% also.
This will not intervene with the normal trading, so we will still have a free market.

(I don't like his max. a day suggestion though).

hispanomc
Traffic Value: $9,334.85757 Spain

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17/07/2015 21:49

Hoppa61 thanks for the feedback.

Just in case i did not explain it correctly, that % i was talking about was not a % of user's shares, but company shares. So if the limit is 1% per day and user, every user will be able to sell up to 5M shares per day. Its a good amount for every seller. There are just a few shareholders above 5M shares and they should not be interested in selling all his stake at once, three days to sell +$180K in shares at current rate is not a big restriction.

swoleman
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17/07/2015 21:51

Yallit,
0.9% is not enough of a fee to stop the scheming big money players from scheming. If they launch a plan, they will take the fees into consideration and still find a way to make it happen just by the fact that they have enough money/shares to make a profit anyway.

druth8x
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17/07/2015 22:10

Why do ppl swear this is the real share price?
Remember it stabilized at 7.5c.
Brainy dropped it to 6.5c.
Another big guy dropped it to 4c, and there was pressure so it went up to 5c.
Brainy again pushed it down to 4c.
Then it was having fun in the 4c's for awhile.
Then Rich came in and dropped it in the 3c.
A couple times we got it back up to 4c.
Then Rich again pushed it and pushed it all the way to 1/4 cent.
Once his 1c blocks were pulled it jumped above 1c, mostly for good.
Even climbed bit by bit up to 2.8c
Then it was time to push it down and down again. This was done by big shareholders.

You can't tell me that these big shareholders really want all their shares to be worth this low a value (granted I do see cashouts from them as well).

The reason price is stuck until a big shareholder comes along is b/c the free users don't have enough cash each day to increase it much at all. No, they can't just invest, cause they aren't well off like you all. And, with your roadblocks, even $1000 doesn't do squat.

I see a lot of confidence in MTV/PV, which means that price would keep going up slowly but surely. Most/All Panickers are gone. So, the price only drops b/c of big shareholders and those trying to daytrade some profit. Many people guess wrong and others just need the cash. And since dividends have always been a small portion of the share (investment price), the ROI is even smaller than the FTQ's projected mature date. So if that's the reason, man, are ppl blinded.

I do have half a mind to invest $10K and buy up the majority of Thig's Roadblocks. Then see what happens in the aftermath, and not panic that now the price is being driven down so Thig can get back his shares, from all the little people. Even $10K doesn't remove all of Thig's roadblocks, thus share price wouldn't go up. (sorry Thig...no disrespect to your name intended.)

BTW, whoever said that there is still a lot of extra shares around b/c of the split is wrong. I bet there are less. In any case, more ppl have the ability to create roadblocks, since if you have 5000 Nov you have 52,500 now. Easily can create a sell 25K block, which blocks/stalls most, and buy block with the others turned into cash of 25K. Even less Risk of 10K slows it down enough for most.

yallit
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17/07/2015 22:14

@swoleman, the 0.9% fee is to avoid anyone from selling at (let's say) $0.0121 and then putting a buy bid at $0.012 which will put a share market deadlock especially if they're trading at 500K or more shares.

I wouldn't say no to a higher fee but we need to be careful with the exact percentage because it will affect the daily trading volume. We wouldn't want a non-moving market due to high a percentage.

In addition, (I've mentioned this previously) the share price will start climbing up when PV and Portfolio buy back the shares that were used for swap and were sold without preamble.

@druth8x, you forgot to include Marc in your comment. He also helped bring down the share price to the $0.04 range if my memory serves me right.

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