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LastPlays
Traffic Value: $1,587.41198 Spain
28/12/2014
01:14
Waiting for Jo news about this swap...F5 button actually: 
ghosty1
Traffic Value: $890.84567 Canada
28/12/2014
01:16
I am going to stop promoting PV further until this all settled. I don't want my referrals coming back on me. Once everything is settled, I will start promoting again.May I suggest going 50% to start, so at least we still have some BAP left. Then after a month, do the other 50%. I would agree with this, at least I could still get some income from PV. It is just a suggestion, and I do not know if it would work or not. I also suggest that you send out an email to everyone a few days before it happens, as I'm sure most users don't read the forum. It took me almost 2 months before I started reading it.
klikdiva
Traffic Value: $1,701.2323 Honduras
28/12/2014
01:19
People is making money with shares lately because there are no ads to click... think about that too Jo. The later ad issues (the days we had them, which had been the least, btw) have been just barely normal compared with November, and even when since the server broke you keep saying you're saving for a huge ad issue that you keep promising day after day and seems like is never coming. Most of the unstability I see is stemming out of your own actions. Everytime ads get delayed (even for few hours) shares go down. Ad campaigns that don't get delivered fast don't inspire to buy new ones, out of the blue ideas for new taxes, to move money that is in the system but that don't belong to you, the share market intervention or this one, have people thinking what the heck are you up to. Running, perhaps? I said we need stability a while ago. I insist, this is the most important part of fixing PV right now. I'm just happy for you that you're travelling, spending time with the family, etc, but this thing you have here is A BUSINESS, and as a business needs to be managed PROFESIONALLY. The show must go on no matter what. Many times people suggested you to get help to get things done. Support tickets got to get to the truly unmanageable problem level until you put into your head to get Slosumo to help (thank you for that!) and to move the devs to get the Shareolder Panel working. Now you need to get in your head to get help and be constant in delivering an ad issue EVERYDAY, like in the beginning. After that, people will buy ads again instead of keeping the money or buying shares. Have no doubt of that. ---------------------- Instead of batting stupid idea like this around how about doing a ad issue. I think if you managed to do a ad issue each day around the same time of day you could see PV growing like crazy with out the need for a BAP swap. +1 bigbadmoose And bytheway, stop becoming greedy yourself. You are earning $1K refcomm a day.. besides your monthly salary. Isn't it enough? +1000 Colasander I'm starting to think the same as you. The dots are all out there.
colasander
Traffic Value: $386,747.05153 Netherlands
28/12/2014
01:20
Jo, you are saying you are willing to risk your $4million value of your shares.. Well, than I know a very good solution.. Use 20 million of your own shares together with the 34 million of PV shares and you can swap at a rate of $0.07 (well, actually $0.0696). This way people get more shares for their bap, so will be in profit sooner.. And you keep them happier  . You also show a lot of people you are sacrificing a part of your own gains..
TheDarkness
Traffic Value: $5,278.37238 Germany
28/12/2014
01:27
Iam all for it, now keep in mind, that i dont have any bap atm, but be sure that i wouldnt mind it if i had.Its a good growth boost when things dont move forward. But! make a huge pop-up lasting like 30 seconds after login in paidverts to inform the users about shares and also link them + display the share amount in paidverts under the bap amount - people are stupid, back when i joined paidverts and didnt know about mtv i would probably wait 2-3 days and then open a paypal dispute if i wouldnt find any info what is going on via google - while most people wouldnt even start to google.
newguy1
Traffic Value: $17,897.90531 United States
28/12/2014
01:27
Repost of some truth that will probably be overlooked when there is an agenda at hand....People is making money with shares lately because there are no ads to click... think about that too Jo. The later ad issues (the days we had them, which had been the least, btw) have been just barely normal compared with November, and even when since the server broke you keep saying you're saving for a huge ad issue that you keep promising day after day and seems like is never coming. Most of the unstability I see is stemming out of your own actions. Everytime ads get delayed (even for few hours) shares go down. Ad campaigns that don't get delivered fast don't inspire to buy new ones, out of the blue ideas for new taxes, to move money that is in the system but that don't belong to you, or this one, have people thinking what the heck are you up to. Running, perhaps? I said we need stability a while ago. I insist, this is the most important part of fixing PV right now. I'm just happy for you that you're travelling, spending time with the family, etc, but this thing you have here is A BUSINESS, and as a business needs to be managed PROFESIONALLY. The show must go on no matter what. Many times people suggested you to get help to get things done. Support tickets got to get to the truly unmanageable problem level until you put into your head to get Slosumo to help (thank you for that!) and to move the devs to get the Shareolder Panel working. Now you need to get in your head to get help and be constant in delivering an ad issue EVERYDAY, like in the beginning. After that, people will buy ads again instead of keeping the money or buying shares. Have no doubt of that. ---------------------- Instead of batting stupid idea like this around how about doing a ad issue. I think if you managed to do a ad issue each day around the same time of day you could see PV growing like crazy with out the need for a BAP swap. +1 bigbadmoose And bytheway, stop becoming greedy yourself. You are earning $1K refcomm a day.. besides your monthly salary. Isn't it enough? +1000 Colasander I'm starting to think the same as you. The dots are all out there.
tenzor7
Traffic Value: $4,476.34101 Slovenia
28/12/2014
01:28
colasander....he is willing to risk it not give it away like charity...they are his shares i think there is a difference
asaxen
Traffic Value: $102.59797 Finland
28/12/2014
01:30
i dunno; i got a bad feeling abt the BAP into cash lightning fast ..well, that is how i got my shares offloaded the last time.. #4 was what i was gonna comment on ..yea,, uhh.. swaps work, we've seen them (mtv) but..that's not the issue. The issue is the ppl crying..and they hold the dollars .. Communication. How to explain to all i don't mind waiting a bit not too long, i reckon, but, compared as to what i said abt the shares (which were a pain in the a$$) for ex. i actively started using this (as i do now) in Nov..within abt 2mths i've ..just short of quintupled my investment, reached Gr. 5 last night, am on my way to breaking 100kBAP .. The 5million sounds appealing, it' attractive ..like remember what you said abt that investor? That's $2 million worth now we're talking five ..But let's take it easy/chill .. But me saying keep a cool head has got nothing to do with putting dampers on (nvr from me  ) for, we already have 5x t... yea; we're in-between your 100k-1m range.. entirely doable; it's possible ..ya; see; this is exactly why i was what i said last night about selling shares for BAP .. i followed my gut/didn't go with it. 'cos now i'd be in that same boat with him ..With all due respect, we cannot treat individual investors; we have to look at the system as a whole. That is without saying, i don't want to see a buddy, of yours get hurt ..let's see what we can come up with to help him. i mean you can buy discounted shares..companies when they buy their own back., i've heard this happening ..Nokia did this last i think: or Apple .. ..and after reading ghosty, yea, i think we should ..This is viable; but not imminent. i don't mind as long as i get my full out of the swap; the minute i get shares i'll sell that portion again hyip i thought abt that ..but that's like dipping into co  funds.. we're on a slippery slope here..Well, tbiz a share split is getting more (affecting share price) a swap is converting into shares..don't know if the price would be affected (heck; we'd be getting even more out of it than now , as Jo is saying). You know what you could also do; enable (something else i noticed missing) the ability to sell BAP ..i don't know if this is possible BBM - it wouldn't as i said above you simply repeat what you did..it is a pain but no financial loss (if act in an appropriate timeframe(to Harriette too)). And i just purchased $11 worth of ad campaigns yesterday .. Lastplays . no worries , the BAP you can easily see on every daily news/issue. As to the time..That's impossible. It's tied to external factors/ad revenue, etc..people .. Mentysis . i'm sorry, not true. PV no doubt is big, but MTV doesn't depend on it (i made a profit even before ). Jo, don't say BAP has no specific value..yes, it does have value..opportunitywise. And concrete, too; $1 = 2k but invested it yields 3.1 .. Well, we do have it on our site..don't fget the Bang in the new year (and, funnily enough DigAdz is now ..what are the chances  of a copycat saying they are doing the exact same thing as we have, just now? check their site (Linux/SSD servers)).Well, if Option 2 is risky then i'd say 3 .. IF and WHEN. Then again, seeing what Catt is saying .. BAPs/ My line of thinking with BAPs is they're not just for cash; they're a promise to higher greener (lol) pastures, a bit like a Diners Club card opens doors.. Bah, either 155% now, or then 100% aand buy ads with to get that 155..same thing.i mean shares are nice..but which do i prefer? BAP over shares. But so we now saw eye to eye. i think what people are looking for here is sustainability, predictability (newguy, like others) and , above all else, reliability. This is meant to be a cash flow. Tony there isn't a slow death.
aeStride
Traffic Value: $189.41353 Portugal
28/12/2014
01:31
Here`s what you keep on repeating basicly:-We turn your BAP into Shares (Ex. 200BAP = 1 Share) and you quickly sell your shares in order to get your money back. It would be faster than waiting several months to turn your BAP into money right? But here`s the real deal... You get your BAP swaped for shares, I mean... You, and everyone else. What`s going to happen? Everyone will feel like selling their shares quickly, in order to get their money back. What happens when everyone is trying to sell quickly? The share price drops... The share price drops... the less money people get. You will end up losing a bunch of money with that swap. Not only talking about the PV users, which will lose money due to what I`ve just said... Everyone that is investing on shares till this very moment, will end up losing a bunch of money aswell. We invested in order to wait for a share price growth, and instead, the price is going to decrease. Ain`t that cool? Let`s hope it gets all sorted out >.<
bigbadmoose
Traffic Value: $520.60691 United States
28/12/2014
01:33
I figured out the problem Jo cant stand to see PV out produce MTV so he going to convert all the BAP to stock to make people work with MTV. This is the only sensible reason I could see for trying to take down a programing that is keep your company alive. MTV on it own is lucky to make 5k a day. When Jo does a ad issue and the site works right. PV can make 3 times that in a day.So fix the problems with PV and see what happen if 5 months down the road everything looks the same as it does now I will agree to this BAP swap idea but for now I think it just someone is totally upset he cant keep his yearly tradition of having some kind of swap up.
teenbeme
Traffic Value: $41,504.84056 United States
28/12/2014
01:35
If there is a bap swap.... Will the groups remain the same after all us said and done? Meaning, will I still need to have 50m bap to be in group 13?
srcnckr
Traffic Value: $2,545.40766 Turkey
28/12/2014
01:38
Just chill out guys, this is just an idea. I am sure Jo will consider all the oppositions that aroused.I appreciate Jo that he at least asks users how to do something on PV/MTV.
mrlnavi
Traffic Value: $481.30137 El Salvador
28/12/2014
01:39
JoI read the most, i get the idea, but i do not know if i get the hole plan benefits. But here are my conclusions: 1) You put the idea to everyone to say what they think about it. I admire that. You didn't decide to do it and it's done. You're asking us to tell what it looks like to us, so you get our opinion, i think that's great and i guess nobody has said so. 2) From number 1 premise, You should remember that this company works because of the people, and that's what matter at the end of the day. Paidverts has grown up like hell because WE trust in this company. WE trust your ways and WE'VE decided to invest money in this company. So if you're going to do ANYTHING, be asure everybody's minimally happy with it, or at least the most of it. At the end of the day, i will recommend a company if i feel satisfied, and i will invest, and again, and again, and again, because i trust in the company. Don't forget that. 3) If you're going to do anything of the swap, partially or totally, i guess you should resolve every problems paidverts has, and , this is just my personal opinion, improve some stuff in the design to make paidverts look better and make it run like hell. Paidverts gotta be the internet monster in everything. Gotta be like the most beautiful and powerful beast that you can see. At the end, i want to say that people is going to take some time to think about it, i need it, say that it's wrong or right, in this moment, is a little rushed. Let's give it a thought. Please insist in the idea you think is the best, but improving it with people's opinion. You really want people to be into this, do not screw it up.
ionutzz
Traffic Value: $537.7535 Romania
28/12/2014
01:43
I have a question Jo. what if some users do not read the forums or simply do not want to buy shares? you do that automatically? and if YES just say the raport of bap that u want to exchange our bap with shares or putt it on market.Me per example i start to buying the shares from market but i think fairplay is that all people buy or exchange at same price bap with shares..No offence
bigbadmoose
Traffic Value: $520.60691 United States
28/12/2014
01:47
Ok let says this happen and the site grow to 30% out of that 30% 20% is free users so again we going to end up with BAP debt. Let say we cut the BAP ads off after you get to BAP group2 make just activation ads for all the higher groups. This would save us millions in BAP debt a day I am sure.
LastPlays
Traffic Value: $1,587.41198 Spain
28/12/2014
01:52
Well, seems like he's not going to reply anymore so I'm just going to sleep and hope that this "Plan B" It's just a nightmare and this idea is not going to be there anymore in the future.
jamespaul
Traffic Value: $152,534.85777 United States
28/12/2014
01:59
"And by the way, stop becoming greedy yourself."For the most part, Jo makes the same as everyone else (just a higher % stake)....when he makes a move to make the site more money, it benefits us all...that is how the site is set up. This move is not something that will only benefit himself. " You are earning $1K refcomm a day.. " I am pretty sure most of this comes from PV. So I think he wouldn't want to mess that up---meaning he's confident this will work. "You sold shares yourself at $0.038, and you probably want to cover your losses in here with a debt swap, to buy cheaper shares back." He put that money in the FT, and made clear to us at the time that was how this was going to make up for his loss.
Jo
Traffic Value: $8,649,585.93592 Spain
28/12/2014
02:26
I like how the conspiracy theories popup out of nowhere... Every thing we've done for the last 4+ years, all some giant conspiracy no doubt lol.Moose, some of your comments are completely off base; what are you talking about wanting to kill PV to make MTV look good. I designed both businesses! Please reign in the nonsense it discredits all your other posts. The communication comments are good... That'd definitely be something to consider; a full week in advance announce the "BAP Exchange" prominently on the main member page + buy ads page + view ads page. That way people can make informed decisions... And we'd have to link to a well written summary post explaining everything. As the more people that see the big picture, the better the rebound will be. * And the more "Brainys" we'll get... As if people stop complaining for 5minutes, and actually think to take advantage of the opportunities created. You'd make a killing. And you don't need a lot of capital to start with either. Anyway... we'll mull this over the next week or so; and then think about implementing it if things don't progress sufficiently.
rattenplan
Traffic Value: $1,085.59156 Germany
28/12/2014
02:27
First i want to say, i think it isn't a good idea at the moment. Why? 1. I don't know, how to explain it to my referrals, who are building up their accounts. It's not easy for me to understand everything here, but many of my referrals will not. They are my refs, cause i try to translate and to explain pv (and all the things around it) in german. Most of them don't speak english! 2. i haven't unlimited money to invest here. what i've invested, it's all at the moment. I know, that some people here have more money than myself, and that's ok, i think. But i don't want to pay for the greedyness (is it the right word?) of a few rich-kids, and that's my feel at the moment. I invested in Paidverts first, like many other people, too. MTV wasn't important for me. Then I started to try to understand what MTV is, and after that, i started to invest here. And I have to say, it's hard to understand all the possibilities and it needs time. If you change all the BAPs to Shares, there are many people, who don't understand, what it is, and where their money is gone. People have trust in PV, but not in MTV, cause they don't know MTV. And they will loose their trust, and will go. Not a few people, many many people will go. It's not important to have big dreams at the moment (it's nice, but it isn't that important), it's important to make Paidverts stable again! If their will be DailyAds again (DAILY ADS, not some days yes, some days no), people will buy more and more ads. In november, high-valued DailyAds pushed things forward. And if people see, that it's working, the Ads will rise again. We need no BAP-Swap! We need stability! (Sorry, it's late in germany and my english isn't that good at night. It's not really good at daytime, too, but if i'm tired... ! I hope you understand my text.)
sergiogmz
Traffic Value: $375.79897 Mexico
28/12/2014
02:29
I vote for option 3.Go for it Jo. Please do the SWAP. And yes, people don´t understand really the SWAP. PS: I agree with Colasander, Mike anyway already received and will get a good profit with his shares. |
