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Jody Traffic Value: $234.20482 Netherlands 0 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 11:42 180k to 360k …........ 0.094 …........ 940 …........ 4184 …........ 0.2247 …........ 0.05 I only got 9 ads of $0,01 and 1 ad of $0,067   Adfilter at $0.0005 chrystalia Traffic Value: $496.56049 United States 0 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 11:44 Jody The cron is apparently running behind or something. Mine were messed up too....But ads are still coming in, .0005s just showed up in my pile. flouens1 Traffic Value: $4,714.86897 Denmark 0 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 11:51 I think I got all mine: 4, something - not dream-scenario, but they got through! hlrive Traffic Value: $384.50396 United States 0 like this post 1 people 24/02/2015 11:55 @ chrystalia I know what you mean. There has to be a way for us all to be able to be noticed, we are the ones clicking. I mean think about it most of the higher groups were complaining when they got $1 ads because they are to good for those. They need to stop allowing the Rich folks to invest in it, and I think the swap will do just that. But us poor folks also need to be respected because we are the ones cleaning up all the leftovers around here, otherwise this site would have sunk like the titanic. You know I was wondering the other day why is MTV called My traffic value???  There isn't any traffic exchange here so what the heck? All MTV is, is investments, forum, and gambling site. So why is it called MTV? The only part of this site that has to do with traffic is paidverts. MTV needs to change their name. As a newbie to this forum, when I first came here I was shocked as well as had a hard time, all it talked about was FTQ market and shares which at that point I knew nothing about, so now I tell all of my own referrals if they come to the forum be expecting to see stuff they don't know about, and then I have to explain it all. However if PV had it's own forum this wouldn't happen. They really need to separate the 2 sites. hlrive Traffic Value: $384.50396 United States 1 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 11:59 something is working. Looks like the .0005's are done and now I am getting .001's coming in. Now if they would get the recycled ads to work but for right now, getting ads is good enough. chrystalia Traffic Value: $496.56049 United States 2 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 12:03 hlrive Unfortunately, they can't separate them--since it's pretty obvious now that PV was built specifically to be a forced funnel for MTV. If it weren't, first of all, PV couldn't promise us 1.50 in ads for every 1.05 spent--the extra money comes from investing the ad funds from PV--part of them anyway--into the FTQ on MTV. Beyond that, these BAP swaps drive PV users to MTV--because we can't get our money back unless we deal with the share market and the share to BAP market. And since in the next swap we not only are getting BAP exchanged for shares again, we are also losing the share to BAP market for 60 days, limited in what we can invest in the FTQ AND limited in ads we can purchase, it will take at least a few months to regain the ground we are losing--something I have pointed out that many people really don't want to hear.  Silverblade1 Traffic Value: $471.34982 United States 4 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 12:10 @hlrive Hoo boy... class warfare? Really? People need to remember that economics, on nearly every scale, needs both rich and poor. In terms of this site, the rich are the ones bearing the biggest load and carry the largest risk. If they go, don't expect the little guys to bear all the load. Hell, who is it that has been singled out by Jo-Richard as a sort of sacrificial lamb? If it can happen to that guy, it can happen to any single one of us, no matter our financial level. As for the "poor", yeah, someone needs to get the small ads or the specks and crumbs, or else there is millions or potentially billions of unclicked ads that this site is supposedly selling as a "product". I think the whole class warfare thing is a crock of excuse making crap. ALL people of all financial levels are necessary, and bad mouthing in any direction isn't fixing anything, but making things worse.  Despite a BAP swap, start of the year maintenance that took too long, Craptcha issues, inconsistent ad issues, and lackluster performance compared to supposed program promises, I managed to go from $142.10 that I paid into this since early December, to about $220.42 as of yesterday morning, up to $460.76 (Group 9) as of early yesterday evening. Has this worked for me? Yup, I've had some luck and some skill at making the most with what I had. I'm increasingly unhappy with how things are being handled, though. While the site has potential, it is very clear to me that Jo-Richard needs a PR guy, or better wisdom in how he delivers information. Although I'm sure he means well, he seems terrible at communication, and since he looks rather young, he comes off as rather brash or impulsive. It kills the site's reputation, his reputation, and no one will benefit from it. Here's some wise and worthwhile things Jo-Richard, and everyone else for that matter, should take into consideration: "A soft answer turns away wrath, but grievous words stir up anger. The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly, but the mouth of fools pour forth foolishness." Proverbs 15:1-2 "A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold." Proverbs 22:1 "Straighten up and fly right!" - Nat King Cole Honor Virtutis Praemium... Silverblade hlrive Traffic Value: $384.50396 United States 2 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 12:16 @ chrystalia Yes it will take awhile to get back up to where we are now. However this time around I am only going to use the cash that I have in my account for ad packs, no more cash is going into it other then what I have in account balance. missi Traffic Value: $12,691.63746 Australia 5 like this post 1 people 24/02/2015 12:21 chrystalia ... people have heard and they will make their own decisions.  You have made your point many a time now can you please stop the unnecessary fear mongering. Im sure many appreciate and some will share your concerns.  Others will open their eyes to the bigger picture and make money. Im not trying to argue your point, you are welcome to your opinion as it is still here, just that I personally dont believe all you say is exactly how it is and people should spend time learning.  I agree timing wont always be on your side and there are some HUGE learning curves here, some winners and some losers (and they are the ones who simply give up) but even when its not on your side and changes happen .. your plans just get put off a little .. unlike most sites that will just go buggar this its too hard and close the doors with your money and run without a word, these guys are trying to make a way for everyone to make money. I wish a few more people could appreciate this instead of hating it all the way with a narrow view based on what they believe should be PS ... I a;so didnt say I was going to delete your posts .. I said some I had considered but instead spoke up.. not verbally abused you.  chrystalia Traffic Value: $496.56049 United States 4 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 12:26 Silverblade1 Yes, we need both rich and poor--every society or economic system does. There always have to be people willing to do the scut work--the dirty jobs, if you will. But we also need to have a mobile economy--an economy where the poor can become rich. What we have here, as I have said in numerous posts of late, is a system that is based on a flawed model from an economic point of view--and the resultant swaps to postpone debt (because it really isn't gone, as we both know), punish success. No healthy business, or economy, or society stays healthy for long if it punishes success--and that is one of our biggest issues aside from the site's spectacular failure when it comes to providing the product it sells. And now, on the other side of this swap, we will have our options to regain the assets we have lost severely limited--at the moment, that limitation is temporary. But it's still not the way you run a successful business. And I do believe we need to be able to talk about the problems the site faces honestly, in bald terms, without having people becoming verbally abusive and other people threatening to curtail any discussion on the matters at hand. If the site is going to survive and prosper, there need to be serious changes, quickly--and I am seeing no sign that will actually happen. Jo has, perhaps, the worst communications skills imaginable--in the past week he managed to p*ss off both us little guys, AND the most successful people on this site. The timing of this swap is deliberate, and the financial motives are fairly obvious, to all involved that are really being hit hard by it--1% and 99% alike. Unfortunately, there is next to nothing we can do about it--since our suggestions are ignored, our questions are ignored, glossed over, actively discouraged and not dealt with. So be it--that's the way Jo rolls, apparently, so all we can really do is play the cards we're dealt, and hope for the best. But I can't help feeling sorry for the people that sunk a hefty chunk of change into those plans, and had their success in plain view--and are now back to essentially square one withe the rest of us. Silverblade1 Traffic Value: $471.34982 United States 5 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 12:50 @chrystalia You said pretty much what I've been thinking. Too many people seem hard wired to blame others, be it rich versus poor, poor versus rich, etc. You and I may be fairly understanding or knowledgeable about economics, but unfortunately, not everyone is. This is why, politically speaking, people think it is perfectly acceptable to have a graduating tax, where the more you make, the more taxes you have to pay. To the non-rich it sounds good punishing those "evil" rich 1% people- that invest in businesses to make money, and expand hiring and paying of non-rich people to do the work to get it done. No rich people, no investment, no jobs, poor get less than nothing. The trouble is: it makes it harder for the poor to climb up the ladder to riches, and it makes the rich resentful and prone to take their business elsewhere. Where opposites attract, to mutual benefit, it ends up depolarizing things so they repel, to everyone's loss. Bah, I'm getting carried away and sidetracked... I agree that people need to voice their concerns freely, but it needs to be constructive, needs to be to the point, but also tactful. There needs to be practical ideas and information to fill in the gaps that we don't know. This site is rare in that it tries to demonstrate transparency, but sometimes it feels like we are getting what we want to hear, not what we need to hear, and it has the subtlety of a jackhammer to the face sometimes. To Jo-Richard's defense, he is just one guy, and there are so many demands made by so many people that even Jo-Richard's minions can't catch up. Perhaps Jo-Richard would benefit from spending money on courses on psychology and hospitality, than a Lamborghini. At least being able to keep a virtual mob mellow would help him and some of the rest of us in terms of morale... I'm as trapped as anyone else right now. So although I maintain a degree of healthy skepticism and critical thinking, I do have some hope that things will turn out better. So I'm just rolling with the flow, thinking when others would rather knee-jerk react, and seeing if I can manage to not only turn a larger profit, but be able to at least cash out something equal to what I've already paid in. Then play with the remaining earnings I've managed to build up in almost 3 months of being on here. My main concern is seeing the "cron" and all the technical issues fixed and largely fixed for good. There should be no excuse for that lingering as it has... Honor Virtutis Praemium... Silverblade chrystalia Traffic Value: $496.56049 United States 2 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 13:11 missi FYI, I was NOT referring to you--I had another member--who shall remain nameless--contact me privately via our kettle corn Facebook page in an extremely rude manner after reading earlier parts of this thread who stated their intention to campaign with the mods to get all of my posts deleted and get me banned--among other things. I told said person that they are more than welcome to try whatever the heck they want--just as I have a right to voice my doubts regarding how this site is being handled and the very real issues we have, they have a right to do as they wish to try and shut me up. If I didn't think this site had real potential, I wouldn't be here--nor would I have invested money in it. But that doesn't blind me to the fact that we have problems that need to be addressed--problems that affect ALL of us, not just the 99% or the 1%--and to date we have seen little hard evidence they are being attended to. That worries me, and a LOT of other members--and it SHOULD, because we, the crowd, are funding this five ring circus. As such, we have a right to expect, at the very least, a fully functioning website at this point, I would think. We should expect a well designed, easy to navigate forum, with a working search. We should expect that when the admin asks for brainstorms,l and they are given, SOMEBODY, at SOME POINT, at least takes the time to go through and say maybe, no, already in the works, already suggested. How can we expect this site to climb to new heights and rock the internet world, so to speak, when at the first really heavy burden it crashes--badly? How can we expect to sell custom designed scripts, programs, games to ANYONE (outside of this site), when all our "products" are either dull compared to what's already out there (the games) or don't function properly (PV)? Would YOU hire programmers to build you a big custom site--if the demo site they showed you to showcase their skills were as non-user friendly and quirky as ours are? I certainly wouldn't. And unfortunately, the answers we get from Jo usually come off as vague, glib pronouncements in the middle of a rah rah speech, rather than concrete time tables. Heck the note he sent the programmers that he put in the news for us to see sounded like it had been written by a kid playing boss--not a professional website owner--or a BOSS. If my other half and I ran our 4 businesses the way this one seems to be being run--we wouldn't have 4 businesses. And that is something that all of us should be concerned about--because, in a sense--THIS BUSINESS IS OURS TOO. That's what crowdfunding is. We all want it to work, and grow, so we can benefit as well--and you must admit, postponing debt through swaps, not prioritizing critical problems, and getting side tracked isn't helping it grow. chrystalia Traffic Value: $496.56049 United States 2 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 13:17 Silverblade1 Then cron should have been the number 1 priority for a while--it is apparently being worked on now. It DOES need to be fixed, and hopefully it will be fixed. I would agree that most of the people here don't understand economics--and one thing that bothers me about the whole thing is that people ARE being told what they want to hear, often, rather than the less pleasant facts. I believe people should be given the facts and the knowledge, to make informed choices. Unfortunately, teaching economics isn't easy at all, because people don't understand the basic functions of money, never mind things like economic volatility, fiat currency, devaluation.... I am sticking with the site, and I am continuing to work with what we have here--like you, it's a sort of wait and see thing with me. I want to see some concrete evidence of changes for the better at some point--but frankly, I think Jo doesn't only need lessons in psychology, he also needs lessons in management LOL. We shall see what we shall saw.... missi Traffic Value: $12,691.63746 Australia 0 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 13:24 Well im glad to hear it was just coincidence of posts landing where they did. I was scratching my head at how I could be coming across as you were saying. chrystalia Traffic Value: $496.56049 United States 2 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 13:31 missi Actually, I owe YOU an apology. When I replied to Silverblade, I had just finished a very acrimonious discussion with the FB person, and was extremely annoyed--and since your initial post had been some time before, I clean forgot you had even said anything about deleting posts until I read your NEXT post, where you jumped on me for misrepresenting and twisting YOUR words--so I scratched my head for a minute, backed up and read through checking time stamps, and figured out how everything got mucked up, so to speak. I probably should have been more specific in the original post, and said that I had been confronted on FB, rather than in the forum, and I am very sorry you felt I had misrepresented you, and sorry that my post conveyed that impression to others.  matei1910 Traffic Value: $862.68812 Romania 0 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 13:49 bemyheart 0 $0.0337 Silverblade1 Traffic Value: $471.34982 United States 1 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 14:49 One thing the site should have had for a while now, was a buy AND sell set up for BAP like it has for cash. Then I would set up a buy order somewhere in the neighborhood of 300-350, even though the price at the moment is 580.  I'm holding on to my now 800,000+ BAP, and since the true madness is over a month away, I'll hold off buying till around the time PayPal pulls its head out of its hiney. I'll assess the BAP price then, and if it is lower, snatch up what I can. If it is still high, I'll hold off till just before the fan gets clobbered, so to speak.  It is always better to be the wolf when you're among sheep. (Just have to watch out for the shepherd.) Honor Virtutis Praemium... Silverblade chrystalia Traffic Value: $496.56049 United States 1 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 15:01 Silverblade1 I dropped myself down to group 6 from 8, the BAP I have will get me through this. I intend to be BAP free when the next swap hits--I refuse to part with my BAP at that kind of devaluation. Fortunately the share market at the moment has been stable enough I have been able to pick up some extras just by buying low and selling high--thanks top Brainy and his roadblocks LOL. I agree, better to be a wolf among sheep--at least wolves don't get fleeced the way sheep do . And it seems we'll get a higher ad issue than originally thought today--60K according to the latest news--so-- we shall see what we shall saw.... lg1500 Traffic Value: $3,227.40257 Poland 0 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 23:35 you guys are too gready you dont know how market work, you waiting for under 0.02 usd or something, i think it have small chances to happen, and when people start pumping it will be too late, fast 0.04-0.05-0.06-0.10, and you will be forced yo buy 0.1 usd/share yallit Traffic Value: $2,148.94717 Philippines 1 like this post 0 people 24/02/2015 23:40 @lg1500, I have some bids in the $0.02 range. They're scattered between $0.02 - $0.0299. I also have a 3K share bid at $0.01. When Brainy placed a block earlier, I was able to buy some shares. Now, in the event that I'm not able to sell them before the swap, I can cancel them bit by bit to use it to buy ad packs and to invest in the FT plans after the swap. So I think of them as reserved cash funds.

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