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If you can afford a phone/computer and an internet connection, then you should be able to afford to pay a few dollars to make even more money than if you pay nothing. If you can buy ad packs, you are even more valuable to our advertisers because, above free users, they are looking for people who are proven they are able to spend money and have at least one payment gateway to do so.

If you want to be a free member you are still free to do so. You just need to work a little harder to cash in on the gravy train

siddartha149
Traffic Value: $683.06885 India

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13/08/2016 18:34

Since almost all of our advertisers advertise investment websites, then it's only fair to show their adverts to people who actually spend money online. Showing these adverts to free users is of no use, as if they aren't willing to invest in PV, then they will most probably not invest in those sites as well. So by reducing the free users, we are actually providing advertisers with more suitable crowd. This is a positive point and not a negative point. Although yes, ads will take longer to deliver, but at least they will be shown to people who are ready to invest. In any case, if it doesn't work, then Marc is always flexible to make changes. He never forces his ideas. If this decision doesn't work out, then he will make changes accordingly. So don't worry.

locofede
Traffic Value: $39.74293 Argentina

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13/08/2016 18:44

I think marc idea is wrong. I think that we must add the rule only register account can trade in market. Have 12k for a new user is imposible right now. If we get a new user he must be register and prove that he have 1 account

dguy
Traffic Value: $15,993.01608 Canada

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13/08/2016 19:07

Due to their ponzi nature, I usually don't advertise investment sites. I advertise PTCs and PTP. I usually get a good signup rate here and my clickers are usually active. I assume since many of them come from the free ranks of the site I don't think you can say that free clickers are of no value

alva5763
Traffic Value: $264.40909 Turkey

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13/08/2016 19:13

I am a member of many,and have been a member of many more,ptc sites. Do I spend in them? No. Most go to sc@m before I could cashout. In the past I upgraded in some aurora sites and made good money but they are closed now. Have I spent in MTV? Yes. On 5th Aug I spent $14 to buy second hand FTQ. Problem is getting anyone,not just newbies, to spend in any ptc site,even$1, as trust is not there. The question is how to get members trust. I have commented on emoneyspace that paidverts is paying. Anyone else posting? Anyone else putting fresh funds into mtv or paidverts. I will buy more FTQ if price is right.

samehvan
Traffic Value: $26.2709 Egypt

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13/08/2016 19:18

@siddartha149 @dguy

that's exactly the point, you are talking about advertisers who are searching for people to invest at their companies, so instead of turning PaidVerts into an investing company we need to think how to get advertisers who actually needs to advertise goods or services.
as mentioned be4 this is an advertising department

and for the record , do you really think those changes will kick out the MAPs??
i think absolutely not.
if you want to see where this will go try to think as a multi account user
we all have seen 1000+ shares sold at 2 BAPs (you can check the logs to make sure)
that means they already have 5+ dollars

yes the changes will piss me off but after a while i will rethink

why not to get those accounts to group 2 = more ads value = more gains at shorter time = more rps can be bought for cash and oooops back to the main problem

Multi Accounts still exists and still abusing the system but more powerful than be4

if the changes truly made to prevent transferring RPs from small accounts to one main account , then i think the best thing to do is
1- When a user request to sell RPs at BAPs market the system saves that request
2- Create a random number between 3 and 30 seconds
3- Show the request at the market when the cool-down timer ended

that way he can't make sure he will get the shares first

Problem solved

Crimson
Traffic Value: $1,850.32389 Romania

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13/08/2016 19:52

Would you want to advertise goods or services to people with no money?
And about the free users in the ptc world its a longer discussion here.Most ptc's do not even pay the free users,or pay them very little (neobux).

jmfjmf
Traffic Value: $176.69082 Argentina

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13/08/2016 20:28

The BAP is not the only way to spend, i can buy tons of fixed ads and get 0 BAP.
And already there is an option to target users for their income with targeted ads
, but i dont know how this work.

in some site theres an option to "only show to upgraded members" in the ads to target to users with more money to spend.
.

saviooo5
Traffic Value: $3.37075 Canada

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13/08/2016 22:38

i'm try withdrawl ..but confirmation e-mail not sending to me ...WHY???
my email gmail

DomingoX6 - Administrator
Traffic Value: $2,272.07399 Venezuela

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13/08/2016 22:48

@saviooo5

If you are sure you are not receiving the email (check the spam folder also), send a support ticket and they will help you.

samehvan
Traffic Value: $26.2709 Egypt

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13/08/2016 22:51

@Crimson
this is going to be a useless discussion , so lets cut it and wait to c where this lead us to

bpc1234
Traffic Value: $62,710.15909 United States

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14/08/2016 03:01

"Would you want to advertise goods or services to people with no money?"
-When you say something so rational that makes total sense... samehvan refuses to discuss it?
Yet the same samehvan has plenty to drone on about today when whining for more free $.
Its funny in a sad way.

-Hopefully when the PV forum opens we cut these types from posting on MTV Forums.
Not a good look.

Crimson
Traffic Value: $1,850.32389 Romania

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14/08/2016 05:13

I am not against free users of any kind.But people should be reasonable and understand they wont ever strike rich by being a free user.As they say ''no risk,no reward''.

siddartha149
Traffic Value: $683.06885 India

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14/08/2016 05:31

Rightly said crimson. Some members here say that they are doing decent jobs but visit PTC for extra income. But how much can you earn by clicking on PTC. Most to most $1 per day (if you don't have multi accounts on same site). So at the end of the month those $30 won't help you much in your expenses. Instead, why not invest those $30 in good sites like PV to make them even more.
And talking about risk of losing money, then where is money safe after all. People lose their jobs all of a sudden. Sometimes people don't even get money for their jobs for months and then they have to quit(Saudi Arabia). Even big banks go bankrupt sometimes. Houses get robbed. Bitcoin accounts get hacked. So money isn't safe anywhere. It's better to invest some of it into different good platforms to increase your profits and safety of your money. Also it's just about $5.

I would also like to point 1 thing more. Some members are saying that due to less free clickers, ads campaigns won't be completed in time. Most probably these will happen. But it will still benefit group 0 members very much. At the end, these unseen ads will trickle down to group 0 and hence they will have more ads to view. And if ads are already being viewed by top groups, then you can just spend $5 and ride the train of profits for lifetime.

rajaconsult
Traffic Value: $11,069.20771 Germany

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14/08/2016 10:42

Again Paidverts is an advertising company and not an investment company.

Investors are here - first a time - in the wrong place.

With your ideas you kill Paidverts a little bit more. If I am a new user and invest here 5 $ (or better $ 6), then I can tell you what happens: It is the first and last time that I invest. Then I trade my BAP on the market.
What happens next? We have another disgruntled users, because not enough revenue jump out for him.

What we need here at Paidverts, people are producing revenues and no investors, just waiting that multiplies their money in their sleep.

Revenues producing people who are working and click.

Ideas for Paidverts:
- In order to be attractive for the advertising industry, we need a lot more users. 50000 active users are far too little. Especially when these are mainly investors and no customers.
- We need a lot more personal information from users in order to be attractive to advertisers.
- What could be the first ideas to achieve external revenues? Let us write a good PTC software and translate the front end in the ten major world languages. Each language is to run on its own domain as an independent PTC. Forming 10 teams with 3-4 people who administer the PTC. Pay them with 30% of PTC revenues in BAP. The other 70% will go into the daily AD Issue of Paidverts.
- Let's do the same with a good traffic exchange software.

What will be the result? We have 20 legal sites that bring us pure revenue. We have a unique selling point, because we win users do not speak English. We attract advertisers who do not want to advertise worldwide. We get advertisers who pay their advertising with Paypal at the PTC. PTCs are legal for Paypal.

And finally to the investors: you can continue to buy BA campaigns. But $ 1 is not an investment. A BA campaign has better cost at least $ 50 better $ 100. Anyone who wants to earn his money while you sleep has to invest properly.

druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States

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14/08/2016 11:43

We will translate PV into many languages.
No need for a separate domain/staff/pay structure for all that.
"Switch to Blank Language" option and voila, a site in your preferred language.

We offer many advertising options, not just BA.

Those who buy BA ads, do think of it as investment or at least "free" advertising.
As, if you are a "true" advertiser, you get a better "bang for your buck" with our other advertising options.

Also, we still haven't closed the 20mil+ Groups, which requires $8,500+ on BA's, rather than FA/AG/TA/CT/Banners etc, we would be fooling ourselves if we thought they didn't choose it b/c it offered a ROI.

I could see an argument for removing BAP from the equation completely.
Then, there would be 0 lvls and thus everyone shares on what real advertisers want to spend on advertising. I'm not sure just how much that is. That might even be our future, once we actually get real advertisers coming vs our traffic lvl to be enough to not need 14% ROI purchases.
We could still have the Recycle Ad Upgrade.
We could still have AA's, but instead they'd be worth currently $0.00033 each (I might be off by 1 zero?), based on $10/30K clicks, if that math changes, so does the value.
We could still have the AG, just it would either be free or cost $0.0005 each (aka that's 1 BAP).
We might even be able to keep the SUU's.
Speaking of 1%'s, we should even be willing to keep Personal 1% ads.
Both of the above just means, instead of giving 2400 BAP for $1, give the same stuff minus the BAP aka 50 (possibly more) visits.
Thus, we can keep the Instant Ads as well.
We ofc will be able to keep CT ads.
Ad Filter, Vacations, Membership all fine to keep.
PIF won't be a thing anymore, but small price to pay to not have debt ever, even if it is all backed up with real funds.

rajaconsult
Traffic Value: $11,069.20771 Germany

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14/08/2016 12:08

@druth: You forget an important point. Paidverts is dead in the advertising industry. Nobody comes here to advertise. Everyone wants to invest.

We need products that not called Paidverts! Do not get me wrong, Paidverts is a really good idea and you can get much out of it. But in the past have been made a lot of mistakes. Thousands of people have lost confidence. And where no man with confidence is the advertising industry will never let their money.

MarcdeKoning - Administrator
Traffic Value: $468,983.12758 Netherlands

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14/08/2016 12:53

Paidverts is dead in the advertising industry. Nobody comes here to advertise. Everyone wants to invest.

This is nonsense.
There are plenty of advertisers, plenty of people seeing the value of paidverts' advertising etc.
For example brainy who bought over 5k worth of advertising just 2 weeks ago.
On top of that you can see we're selling pure advertising every single day of the week.

Please inform yourself before making such bold statements.

freak300
Traffic Value: $56,564.16117 Germany

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14/08/2016 13:43

I think that Paidverts can in fact be a great way to advertise but you must know what you are doing. If you don't have a high converting funnel that is specifically build for cold traffic you possibly struggle a lot.

I am gonna buy advertising with Paidverts in the future but like most people here I am not using it as my main traffic source. I think that there are a few reasons why the campaigns aren't having the same power then others. Probably because of a lot of people that aren't here to buy but to earn.

I see a lot of people using Paidverts as an investment. It is obvious that this is the main motivator for people to buy ads. As long as we can sustain the ad issues though this isn't necessarily an issue.

What I am more concerned of is if in case we get legalised can we still pay all the bills? The games MTV has seem to be the income source number one right now so what happens if they fall away?

rajaconsult
Traffic Value: $11,069.20771 Germany

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14/08/2016 13:44

@Marc: You've misunderstood me.
I am not talking about the people who spend their money on a few other Revshare programs, PTC, GPT or other like that. That's OK and we must thank Brainy and Co. for it.
This advertisement is at Paidverts also in good hands. Here are mainly investors who are interested in these products.

But I am convinced that it will not be possible to pay by this revenues the liabilities of the BAP.

And when I speak of the advertising industry, I mean advertisers who want to offer their products: the pizza delivery service around the corner, Mercedes wants to sell a new car in Indonesia, a real estate broker in New York, a telecommunications company in Brazil, a wooden shoe manufacturer in the Netherlands; -) or a sausage manufacturer in Germany.

This is the industry that have advertising budgets in the billions. If we manage to get out of this budget a very small part, then we have sustainable revenues.

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