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@yasirxx If you can provide me some info about the issue you have in the game it would be great:
1) where you are playing the game on (windows, linux and I presume the steam version, not the web one?)
2) on which screen of the game does it shake like that?
3) what is your screen resolution, or more specifically how big is the window of the game you have open - are you by any chance playing on a small screen (i.e. 17'' or less?)
Thanks

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09/10/2020 10:57

@pisti87 The issue orlando noted was in my understanding an issue where the site advertise, could not know where the visits were coming from - and thus they couldn't verify traffic source, and could potentially ban traffic from that source. I THINK, that that specific issue shouldn't cause an issue with non-unique views, but it could also depend on what the site you are advertising consider as non-unique.

But it's possible that they do not even log these visits that don't have referrer data in them (where visit came from), so they just drop them alltogether and they're simply not counted at all. If this was the case, you should see an improvement from now on in their stats.

Some sites base those on browser fingerprints, others on IPs, some might even just be checking specific user agents.

I personally consider rotate4all having a ton of good practices, and in my experience with them we deliver approximately 80% of unique views on "daily ads", such as activation ads (Fixed Ad campaigns), which each USER can view once per day.

So if you buy a FA, you definitely receive unique views based on unique account registrations with us.

However, there is a possibility (it appears 20% on average in my experience) that these accounts are either coming from the same IP or even computer, thus can be considered non-unique by other sites, even though they ARE coming from different accounts on our side.

Why we do not filter that automatically? Because "same IP" does NOT mean it is not actually a different person. For example, there are many cases where 10s or 100s of accounts could be accessing our site from the same IP, which is completely legit/correct in our opinion. Schools, cafeterias, public WiFi, homes, work... are just some examples where this can easily happen. Same goes for same computer/browser fingerprints.

Banning/preventing non-unique views specifically on Ips or fingerprints is a bad practice imo, as it can easily prevent 20%+ of users from not being able to use our service, even though they can be legit separate person.

OF COURSE, this does lead to a part of these accounts actually being potentials bots/multiaccounts, but we clean those separately both manually and automatically. So we catch any such pretty quickly, and they do get cleaned up.

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09/10/2020 11:05

@pisti87 To elaborate on your previous questions:

Pure Ads to NOT guarantee only unique visits. In some circumstances you could receive same viewer viewing an ad from PA campaigns several times.

Ad options that deliver unique views (unique on our side - 1 per account) on our sites are:
Fixed ads (buying just 1 per day, repeat FA will obviously have players view i.e. 2 activation ads)
Login ads
Targeted Ads are the only other ad types with an additional pricing option to deliver just 1 view per day/campaign lifetime per 1 user account per campaign.

If you intend to run repeat campaigns to a website (with the intention of gaining referrals, not PTP) I would also highly recommend trying out New Users ads on PV, which delivers ads only to users who joined PV in the past 30 days. This way you can ensure your optimizing your ads to always show it to new users, and increase chances they haven't signed up at the website you are promoting yet. Note that these ads also do not guarantee uniquness - i.e. buying these ads, can deliver several ads to a specific user (based on how many you buy), or if you buy several campaigns within 30 days, it's very likely a new user will receive your ad for both campaigns.

Hope that helps!

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09/10/2020 11:07

@Crimson: I don't think so. There are many cheaters using autoclick software, and when you include keywords like "no cheat" or "do not click" in your R4All ad, the results are much better, because they detect your ad as an antibot ad used on PTC sites to filter bots, and don't click it. Autoclickers are bad for the advertisers, because they receive less visits then what they've purchased, and also bad for the admin, because he has to pay those who don't watch the ads. It's a common problem, and I think PV/PS is not an exception, looking at the R4All stats.

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09/10/2020 11:49

@slosumo: Thank you for the detailed explanation! I think Rotate4All considers every visit from the same IP address in 24 hours as non-unique, so I understand that PS/PV works differently in this regard. The ratio of unique/non-unique visits are much better in a FA at PV, as I can remember when I've tried it.

I think it's just too many non-unique visits in case of a PA. It seems for the advertiser that delivery is fast, but it can be very ineffective, if the same person watching the same ad several times a day, both in regard of PTP and getting referrals. I will try it again to see if it has been improved, but I think that was not the case what you've mentioned in the 2nd paragraph. If R4All can't detect where the visit came from, it marks the visit as "Unknown", and sum those in the last row of the stats.

So what if I buy a bigger pack of PA, for example 60.000 credits for $20? Should I expect even more non-unique visits? 2000 credits are delivered in approx. 1 day. Do 60K credits being delivered in 1 month, or sooner, resulting in even more non-unique visits?

And bot traffic is still a question. Do you have any protection against it? (I guess you have, but it's not as good as R4All's maybe.)

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09/10/2020 13:33

@pisti Probably with more visits purchase of PA; likely non-unique ratio will increase significantly indeed. I.e. there's just ~10k active clicker on PTC daily, so if you order 60k clicks, then AT BEST, each ad will be viewed 6 times by each user. Take into account recycling, ad filters, and the ratio drops further.

If you are advertising primarily for PTP, in my experience buying ad credits is pretty much never worth it.

We do have bot/multiaccount detection - to some degree its automatic, but as I said we don't consider same IP/agent/fingerprint automatically as bot/multiaccount. If we did we'd be cutting a good portion of legit users. And that's what most PTCs (including likely R4A) are doing. And imo it's a sub-optimal practice, because you're cutting out a lot of potential legit users/advertisers.

Those that do get by our automatic tools, are caught in manual checks during cashouts.

pisti87
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09/10/2020 15:25

@slosumo: Okay, I understand. I'd just like to mention that people are actually buying lots of credits for promoting their R4All link, and that's probably because one can also get referrals, and receive 20% of their future earnings this way. I can even see R4All ads at NeoBux sometimes, where advertising is not cheap at all. So I think it can be a good idea to provide more attractive options for PTP advertisers too. It could be another ad type or traffic exchange. A login ad (not just banner and text, but a site visit) or starting ad at the beginning of the ad surfing can also produce good results, if it's not too expensive.

And one more thing: What about the window or frame size? Rotate4All also requires a minimum window size for a valid visit, and most PTC/TE sites don't require that. So one can watch the ads in a window so small, that he can't even see the advertised page, just the timer and the captcha at the end. I think it's quite a reasonable requirement. Could you implement a feature that can prevent this by stopping the timer if the window is smaller than 1024x450 on desktop or 600x300 on mobile device? I think it would improve the overall effectiveness of advertising, and provide about 10% more valid visits for R4All.

yasirxx
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09/10/2020 16:03

@slosumo PFB requested data :
1)Running game on Windows using steam.
2)First instance is, when you start a new game and there is a blue message box "Establish your settlement", you can see picture of an eye icon with a blue flag on top of it.Can't continue further as its too hard to read and straining my eyes to see shaking text.
3)Screen resolution 1920 x 1080, have a 15" screen and i am running my game on fullscreen.

Do let me know if you require further info.

dguy
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09/10/2020 17:19

pisti87,

I think many of the clicks that don't show up are people who click away almost immediately. I can't find the reference now but I recall the R4A admin saying that people had to stay on the rotator for something like 10 seconds for people to get credit (this is so his advertisers get higher-quality views). So that may have something to do with it.

FWIW, I usually get over 80% valid on my R4A campaigns at both PV and PTCS which is an excellent rate.

pisti87
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09/10/2020 20:12

@dguy: Yes, that could be a reason, but I think it's not the case. There is a progress bar, and you have to watch the ad in active window for only 4 seconds. Maybe if one switch to another window immediately, and then solves the captcha very fast, but I think it's not very likely. I think bot traffic is the main reason also at other PTC sites, where solving the captcha is just one click.
Which ad type you use to promote R4All here, by the way? I used FA at PV in the past, and I got many referrals from there. But since it became more expensive, it doesn't seem to be worth it. Maybe if there would be more active members, and/or less invalid/bot traffic.

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10/10/2020 04:16

I'm currently using the click grid

If you do that, you might lose money on the ad. I can do it because I am making money here so the ads are technically free for me and it is a way I can both support the site and transfer money to another site (R4A) while still allowing paidverts to benefit from that transfer.

dguy
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10/10/2020 04:32

FYI, the admin of R4A is a member of this forum. If you join you can ask him questions on his site thread. He is pretty good about answering

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10/10/2020 16:31

People i have a qustion , is this sistem of percent from dividents earnings still working ? I mean if you have a dividents that means that you will earn money at the end of the mounth ?
I have it but i dont recive anything ..

Thanks

druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States

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10/10/2020 17:05

RP's do NOT earn dividends as of right now. Not enough $ to go towards that, after other needs, esp the FTQ.

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19/10/2020 08:18

What happened with warclicks?! It was created as a crowdfunded project in order to bring income for MTV but you never ad a penny from it...

slosumo - Administrator
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19/10/2020 09:35

WC revenues are always deducted off invoices for accounting purposes, as this is the simplest and allows for most deductions with the current revenues. Only when revenues would surpass invoice amount would such revenues be added separately.

The deductions used to be 1500-3000$ monthly, but recently with minimal upkeep they're around $500-1000 these days.

So they are counted, but indirectly - random hypothetical example: costs in a month are $30k with $1k revenue share deductions, otherwise they'd be $31k.

bpc1234
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19/10/2020 13:20

What $ does Paidverts and Ptcshare average in a typical day or week from the 'Cash Offers' ?

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20/10/2020 08:48

Offer completions are heavily correlated with general activity and how much people earn on the website from ad issues. As those went down (particularly on PTC) so does activity on completing offerwalls.

Also, a big portion of completions was from multiaccounts, so as we introduced more security mechanics completion rates went down as well. Up to a certain point we usually didn't care about all frauds, if the money was still paid, but at one point more than 50% of offerwall income was from potential fraud, which would potentially get deducted from our payments.

Then add some cashouts/banking problems, and we had to place some offerwalls on the side.

Right now we do between 2-3$k in offerwall volume per month (only ~20% of that is profit for us), so that's ~$500 in dev funds monthly, which was mostly used to account for any past illiquidity.

The numbers were up to 7-10$k/month in volume/month at best of times, but due to above mentioned reasons we're down to far lower numbers these days. And due to these correlations, it doesn't seem worth investing more time in improving this part, as it would cost more than it would benefit us on the short term.

Right now there's just too many moving parts required to setup offerwall accounts, accounting, implementation, manangement and anti fraud for adding or replacing current offerwalls regularly. Going forward it will be more effective to do any adjustments to offerwalls yearly or so, given the current conversion rates and how much we actually make from them, vs the cost of setting them up and managing them.

pisti87
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20/10/2020 10:52

Maybe you could try just one more thing: promoting HideoutTV at AdscendMedia. Although it's not available in many countries, it provides constant earning opportunity. According to my experience, it is possible to earn about $5/month with it, or maybe even more. You can make a calculation, how much would the profit be, if every possible earners would use it.

It is well promoted at PTCShare by adding it to the earning options in the View Ads menu, but I think it still doesn't work there (and it should be removed, if it doesn't work IMO). A similar solution might be useful at PV too, along with providing more information about how to use it (which can be found here), and maybe a link to their Facebook page, where they regularly post their news and promo codes for bonus points.

Some sites pay more than PV, like 0.9¢ for 9 points, and maybe even more. HideoutTV has many members and though, there are some advantages of redeeming the points to PV like getting additional BAPs, and the low minimum payout amount, but probably it's still better for many of them to do it elsewhere. Also, PV is not on the list of HideoutTV's partners (along with several PTC sites). I don't know what's the reason, and it has been discussed earlier, but I think it would also be good if it could be changed.

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