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Is This A Ponzi Scheme?

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Catt Traffic Value: $1,193.5857 Brazil 1 like this post 2 people 22/11/2014 22:02 Hmmm you must not have english as your other language... it takes your money to pay for DEVELOPING PROJECTS. Bortoff Traffic Value: $314.44564 Japan 0 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 22:03 OK thanks Mr. Green.   I know that . Im asking how those portfolio products are generating income . ie the cashiers locations . i know the ads can create income but not the payment processors . Bortoff Traffic Value: $314.44564 Japan 0 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 22:05 thanks dguy . hrjustinptc - Forum moderator Traffic Value: $8,376.82638 United States 3 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 22:06 This is a business it uses investors money to build products that generate pure profit that doesnt create debt in the process. All of the money on the results card you see is pure profit that the site generated for that day. More products will be constructed and those will generate 3.6x their cost to build.  Everything about MTV and PV is built to generate profits that pay down the debt created by Bulk Ads, Activation Ads, and MTV investment plans.  It is surely better then a typical revshare script where 99% of the purchases are just ad packs that create evermore debt? 3.6 times the construction cost of a game or any other product might be confusing. All products have unlimited profit potential 3.6x is just the number the business came up with to prove that product is successful.  van186 Traffic Value: $421.56472 South Africa 3 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 22:06 @bortoff you pay fees to cashout or deposit.  Those fees are revenue for MTV.  PV uses SolveMedia Captchas.  There are account maintenance fees on all balances.  People gamble with cash, they lose. People pay to advertise on the banners on MTV.  I could go on and on. dguy Traffic Value: $15,993.01608 Canada 4 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 22:08 Jo uses the funds to 'speed up development'. So instead of waiting for 6 months for the site to gain $1000 to build a casino game, he borrows $1000 from investors today, builds the game, and then over 6 months (or whatever time frame) pays back those investors plus a profit once the game is paid for. The game needs to generate 3.6 times its original cost in order to pay back the original investment dguy Traffic Value: $15,993.01608 Canada 2 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 22:10 It seems hrjustinptc was typing a similar thing as me MisterGreen Traffic Value: $22,303.8091 Netherlands 3 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 22:11 Well the cashiers generate revenue by their fees. Then there's account maintenance fees for some additional $$. Plan upgrades for $250 per year per bigger member. Small amounts but it does help. Then theres the games which on some days generate thousands of dollars of revenues. Poker will be added soon and that could be a huge addition to the daily revenues. Then there's the income from advertisement. Now PV also creates a lot of debt on the one hand while removing it on the other so I'm not sure how to understand this myself and what the net effect is on MTV. PV's not a pure revenue maker but it seems to be doing fine, removing debt with its own games, BAP tax etc.. To have a sense of the health of the system keep track of the repayment times of the 186% or 250% plan, displayed on the plans page. The repayment time has been around 200 days for weeks now so its stable. With poker added I could see it even decreasing. Still it remains a general rule to never invest more than you can lose or miss safely but that goes for all projects. jamespaul Traffic Value: $152,534.85777 United States 3 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 22:25 hrjustinptc said, "3.6 times the construction cost of a game or any other product might be confusing. All products have unlimited profit potential 3.6x is just the number the business came up with to prove that product is successful. " Did you read that....unlimited profit potential....that means, in the future, MTV could have hundreds, perhaps thousands of products with the debt already paid off on each one, generating huge revenues--PURE PROFIT together as a whole....all contributing to pay off future investors...this is NOT "just about moving debt around in a circle, paying one credit card to pay another"!!! Bortoff Traffic Value: $314.44564 Japan 2 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 22:44 well i only click ads .  everything else is over my head . just give me ads to click on throughout the day and ill be happy. tupko Traffic Value: $32,122.18249 Croatia (LOCAL Name: Hrvatska) 1 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 22:54 @bortoff, how those products generate income? simple, game products generate income when players lose the game, cashier generates revenue by charging fees any time a deposit/cashout is made, there are daily account maintnance fees and share transfer fees which are pure income too...all these products I named generate pure income without any debt. paidverts and investment plans are the only products so far which generate debt but also an income too which makes them look like a ponzi element of the site. but don't forget, we need debt as much as we need income, and the whole system works best if both are balanced. higher debt than income means slower payouts, but without debt site could run out of development funds combining the "ponzi" products with pure income products creates safe and sustainable system with high/fast payouts to members MisterGreen Traffic Value: $22,303.8091 Netherlands 4 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 22:54 @Bortoff, Don't give up!  MTV requires a bit of studying. tjtan0929 Traffic Value: $203,540.80977 Malaysia 4 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 23:01 my english not very good but let me simply explain that MTV is not a ponzi scheme and I think 155% profit is general theory we know the ponzi scheme need new money come in to pay old money but the MTV survive core is reduce bap in games (the biggest debt) let say jo issues 30k ads everyday and we reinvest 70%($21000) kept in same group , 20%($6000) cashout and 10%($3000) invest into MTV 250%/shares simple to say we need to cover $6000 cashout everday from games ($6000=12m bap) 12m bap profits to balance and pay the daily cashout, i skipped to count the revenue/debt from cheap ads,banner,free bap,etc.. and we reinvest 70% so the 10%=$2100 go to MTV revenue, 50%=10500 for PV to invest 250%/shares to provide MTV develop funds and take the 250% profits from MTV, i skipped to count 40% like ref comm and 1% ads....because it is same way with 70%/20%/10% above and MTV other portfolio revenue like cashout fee, shares fee..etc and we invest 10% into MTV just like what PV doing so MTV have the develop funds to explode and growth big and bigger PV help to boosting the share price to high and higher and if the games perform better than expected (clear over $10k daily) it should be help MTV to pay lot of debt but in worst case MTV can still surviving even one day the games didn't working again and no more new investor/new money come in because MTV have the ultimate = debt swap to refresh the whole system and continue to working again tupko Traffic Value: $32,122.18249 Croatia (LOCAL Name: Hrvatska) 3 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 23:02 @mistergreen you've been looking at a wrong repayment time, the time what you've been looking at is estimated time not considering the growth of the site, the accumulated debt so far divided by the average revenue of the last 7 days. real repayment time is displayed below it, completed investments, and right now we're doing so good that repayment time even decreased for a few days to about 95 days Gizmo Traffic Value: $54,219.84749 United States 0 like this post 0 people 22/11/2014 23:09 Now everyone explained about the fees and profits (or losses) incurred from losing or winning games. The transparency comes from viewing the result page. You need to study the result page. That is all the daily revenues generated from fees from each revenue generating products and profits (or losses) made from each games. They will be paid back in 7 days time to members.. cabyscorner Traffic Value: $595.0487 United States 2 like this post 0 people 23/11/2014 04:03 I understand asking questions, it is way different than any other site i have been involved with. in a good way i must add. however here, other than a few rude people on the forum you will most always get an answer. so ask and learn its a lil confessing at first i personally look at the facts they are transparent and jo does a great job of update all of us daily. i believe jo will do what ever it takes to keep this alive and running-remember he is here to make money and hes doing very well so im sure he wants to maintain his lifestyle, there for he will do the best he can i believe to keep it going as if it stops so does his income. to me the honesty of the site is truly a welcome experience. for me i plan on staying as i like it and it works for me, and im at a the bottom end of the groups but still a good experience overall earnforthat Traffic Value: $1,069.25294 Taiwan; Republic of China (ROC) 1 like this post 0 people 23/11/2014 05:08 But hey Jared,why would you invest over a thousand if you don't know how this site work? On the other hard,don't worry,this site is pretty legit. It can't be more transparent as it's already enough now.Each cent were written in Portfolio and Results,even banks would not tell you this! MTV has legit products(Casino games,a PTC called PV...)that are able to repay the investors. If you want this site to be more transparent,it will be like: MEALS Name        Cost to build  Revenues   Progress to repaying all contributing investors Jo's dinner  $7.50            $0.00         0.00% We don't need that,yeah? Jared101 Traffic Value: $2,430.53159 United States 1 like this post 0 people 23/11/2014 05:57 K guys this has become way to huge i just wanted some better understanding and now people are fighting and such. I don't need any more replies of the same exact thing. earnforthat Traffic Value: $1,069.25294 Taiwan; Republic of China (ROC) 1 like this post 0 people 23/11/2014 06:04 I'm just trying to make things funny... donsoulz Traffic Value: $7,212.45963 Malaysia 2 like this post 0 people 23/11/2014 06:30 we have strong community now...help each others...so we can earn money together...

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