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yallit
Traffic Value: $2,148.94717 Philippines
01/02/2015
10:33
@druth8x, the "1 BAP per post" idea would also restrict the ones who tend to help the others. If that's implemented, there would be fewer replies and those replies would be a lengthy one to ensure that everything has been covered and that no additional replies would be made. lol! I wonder how those who have 0 BAP and have fully switched to shares and FT will be able to post in the forum?
druth8x
Traffic Value: $22,417.44153 United States
01/02/2015
10:37
Yes, I try to help, when I can.Yes, ppl that don't have BAP, I guess would be charged cash. But if all their cash is in shares, and once they get dividends they buy more, then yeah. Let us just scrap the charge everyone idea. I'm not against charging those that don't take even take a minute to read.
giang1990
Traffic Value: $514.44527 Viet Nam
01/02/2015
10:48
What about a mechanism of missions ?Certainly, we have prizes and punishments for missions. Members annouce missions with prizes BAPs. The Prizes are given by them. The values of prizes and punishments are also given by members. Any members can take these missions. If they complete the missions in time, they get prizes. In case they did not complete them, they lost some BAPs as a punishment. The system wil get some fees from prizes and punishments. These can help reducing the BAP debt. And you wil get a small prize(ex: BAPs or $) when you are the most positive member in a week. The bigger prize for you if it is in a month. The biggest prize for you if it is in a year. This should be done. It makes the missions system more develope
Ryder
Traffic Value: $1,809.25245 New Zealand
01/02/2015
10:50
I too think that Jo's idea of restricted ad buys is not a real solution. At best it will only delay the debt growth by 10-12 weeks. At worst it will create a whole array of issues that nobody has thought of yet that could destroy PV.Just a few issues from the top of my head now. This system would hand the advantage to the few people who are willing and able to buy and sell shares and BAP and be on the site 24/7. These people would get ahead of the majority. The majority of people would all be in the same group growing at the same pace and sharing a very low ad issue for that group. Investments will take too long to mature and membership will decline. I agree with other members here that the best way is first and foremost is to stabilize the basic functioning of PV. That means less experimenting, the ability to fix any bugs quickly, have regular ad issues 5 days a week ( They don't need to be large issues - just consistent ), better support system. Things like the chatroom and site design can wait until you have things more under control. The 2nd thing is to get revenue generating products up and running ASAP like the multiplayer online poker. That could be huge and would alleviate the debt quickly. Also the progressive jackpot slot games would be a winner. These are products that don't necessarily need PV/MTV members to participate in. Also, just a left field idea, maybe capping the membership growth somehow so that you don't get too big and out of control too quickly. Make sure your system can handle it and then allow more members to join. There could be issues with this idea but i thought i would put it out there anyway. Thanks for reading.
afebrero2014
Traffic Value: $538.25641 Spain
01/02/2015
10:51
Good morning i like the proposal with the additional comment of hikineet @mio2815 and @polo26Products its the name of the game,and we have a HUGE potential of growth with the targeted advertising, i think this should be the Nº1 priority, it will give us a REAL great product to sell to 3rd parties, adding daily investments + will create a way for the little users to go up if they work as this would be a source for their funding if they have no money to invest. I like the idea of controling the purchases after the swap, and i think it might self sustain without controlling the shares/bap because ppl will most likely hold into the shares as i think yallit said, IF that´s done as to stabilize the system, it has been said many times that is better a constant regular issue with maybe wekkly/2weeks spikes to keep the adrenaline going. And then there is our other problem, the ads being delivered there is a great post that Mr. MikkeMazonne did to incourage ad views as like an" inside challenge" i really liked the initiative even started activating my micros as part of my contribution to the growth of OUR company, maybe we could capitalize on that idea and find a way to reward the ad viewing(i started 11/11/2014 and just crossed the 10k viewed ads )it has been proposed many times by a lot of ppl, as this is in my opinion the MAIn issue to be concerned about. anyways thats my scope have a great sunday
dguy
Traffic Value: $15,993.01608 Canada
01/02/2015
11:01
How about allowing activation ads to recycle? I don't use mine. I'm pretty sure others don't use them. If these were to recycle that would give free members a better chance to rise up, increase their participation rate and 'broaden the base' as you say
mob1us
Traffic Value: $904.8075 Pakistan
01/02/2015
11:14
Nice idea dguy.same here.
axl100
Traffic Value: $60.77536 Greece
01/02/2015
11:21
I had better idea forn the activation ads, dguy. For every cent spent on gambling u get 1 token and with every token 1 more activation ad at will. Posibility for token trade at the market.
meworking
Traffic Value: $2,081.35489 India
01/02/2015
11:33
@JoI am writing just my idea, like/dislike/adopt it, as you and all other members want. Your BAP swap maybe a great start at the start of the year for sure, but you accept it or not, it was a forced change of your BAP, and that too for a very bizare value, and we had to wait until our share reach the price, (though it never touched that price). Still, some in need for reaching the higher group, they sold there shares at whatever price they got, this price was used by high investors and those who had balance in there account. As of me, I am a medium investor, and even though was a big amount, I had to invest some of my money for a fresh start, and kept my shares, coz I know they have higher potential than selling it for low. But the real thing is, the higher potential of this comes from the success of MTV and its portfolio product (like games and PV). Ofcourse we don't know much about this system, and don't know what you have in your mind. But I don't think another BAP swap will do much help, even if you limit the investment, as many guys who have ton loads of shares, or those who have minimum knowledge about the system will panic sell for BAP, again giving the debt, and then will buy ad pack, or considering the current situation, will buy shares for cash, and sell for BAP. My suggestion for you is: 1) About the ad pack, make it back to 1$ only, and instead of 3100 BAP, make it 3000 BAP, and divide the 1$ into the following: - $0.1075 creates 40 instant ads, that get issued at random: 15x $0.0005, 15 x $0.001 , 5 x $0.005 4 x $0.01 and 1x $0.02 - $0.10 of each purchase pays your upline - $0.10 of each purchase is profit for the MTV Portfolio - $0.10 creates 10x 1% ads issued to the purchaser over 10 days - $0.10 creates 10x 1% ads issued at random to Super Users - $0.0925 is added to the daily ad issues, 2x5% per day. - $0.40 is invested at MTV, which now needs to return 2.4x in order to clear the reduced level of debt now created with each pack (previously it was 2.5x). 2) Make new games or outsource the games, you have so much money in the dev fund, you can just simply develop games from outside, and allow the main programmers in MTV to develop it and assign to the system, increasing the revenue. 3) Instead of real estate, hire 5 programmers/support staff, and assign each of them with some low order works, or the works which don't require much of main programmers attention, like usual support tickets, and some general coding processes. 4) Make the targeted ad issue thing more quicker, as that was what PV made for, and will be known for. 5) Make things here more automatic, like the share market. Earlier it took hours for the transfer of shares, but now it is quick. Similarly make the FTQ market buy thing automatic. Leave the cashout too automatic, but to save it from abuse or scam, make the cashout to be done automatically 5 days (you can change it, but make it fixed), and this will also give the shareholders with 5 days time to check and flag it. 6) Instead of the BAP swap, please change that to the ad swap, i.e. to swap the remaining ads which has to be delivered to shares (use the shares which you are going to create fresh for this purpose) (and the ad packs which was bought by paypal and payza to be refunded directly with the money in the paypal account of the user only, as this will avoid the problem with those payment processor, and I guess there is enough dev fund for this [EDIT : if this still will make a problem, then leave those ads bought by paypal and just swap those which will not be a problem at all, like from the earning balance, bitcoin, etc), with the above ad pack I told, you can deliver easily 40 ads randomly, and remaining 10 ads can be issued to other members in the daily ads issue. I know it is high, as it decreased some MTV profit thing, but this will make this more sustainable, and I believe that no where we can get 1.86 or 2.5 times our investment in for even 1 year, so repaying these plans for 130-140 days too will be fine, than the 90-100 days average. Ofcourse many will disagree, but I guess this will make it better and sustainable. 7) Use the shares according to what I have told above, and this will help the share market to build up one by one, and though this will make the market go down a bit, but will come back fast if there are no more cron, etc problems there. 8) Build new ideas which are told in the forum, there are many guys who tell of different and great ideas to rocket MTV growth, some of them which I remember is reff market, different games (small and classical ones), etc. 9) Another important thing is to find/assign another administrative, so that he/she can do the work, if you are not well/travelling/sleeping or anything else, as you too have a life like others say, but yes you chose this path, so work hard 10) Buying upgrades for BAP, and I propose these price: Recycle upgrade for 170 BAP Mini Upgrade for 9500 BAP Mega Upgrade for 63000 BAP Ad filter for 31000 BAP I know its a very high value for those upgrades, but this is only to those who want it, not necessary, and will reduce the debt ASAP, as many have more BAP than Cash, thus letting many guys to use there BAP easily. 11) And assign a programmer to make a program, so that those ads which where sent for circulation, and have some ads left in circulation, even though the visits bought where already delivered to terminate, and swap those ads in circulation with other ads which are still undelivered. 12) If after all of this, if there are dev funds remaining, then go for buying up a new extension to old database, and server to fasten up this thing, rather than to wait till this hangs again. I know many of this things are already in your mind, and you want to do it, but are confused/busy or not able to handle all these things at once, or something like that, which is genuine according to me, you have a huge fanbase which are going to dislike me for all of this I have written, but I just wanted to say what I had in my mind, as I said at the start of my Post. Hope you do all of this one by one, and make this site even better. Hope you take this in a positive manner. Cheers!
waqar597
Traffic Value: $65.11757 Pakistan
01/02/2015
11:35
At the time of BAP swap Jo was pretty sure that this swap will help removing debt from the system and it really resulted in fantastic growth in the form of thousands new members signing up and old members injected a lot of fresh cash mostly for buying bulk ads.But just in a month everything going against what Jo had expected, debt piling up more quickly and majority of the PV members are scratching their heads now watching this post from Jo..I personally feel Jo must consider the other ways many members are suggesting in "Brainstorm" to permanently solve this problem rather than thinking of new ways to deal with it every time.Limiting members from buying bulk ads will create a real mess because it will hurt the earnings badly and nobody can afford here to limit his earnings by supporting this plan from Jo.Surely people will then look for other options for investing.To be very frank many competitors will be there at that time to take advantage of this bad situation.
axl100
Traffic Value: $60.77536 Greece
01/02/2015
11:38
@meworking, paypal do not like ad swaps, its like buyng shares with paypal
PeteM
Traffic Value: $2,259.87519 Brunei Darussalam
01/02/2015
11:48
@Jo,Just a couple of thoughts on helping to reduce this debt, rather than controlling the ad purchases. 1. Do away with the smallest ad $0.0005. Nobody likes them, not even the (free) non investing members. Who wants to sit in front of their computer, for an hour, to earn less than $0.05? The smallest ad should be $0.001. This will help to reduce the the debt, reduce the number of ads in the system. Whilst ensuring that members don't just carry on recycling them. 2. If they are to remain, make them compulsory ad views, by removing the recycle button from the ad. 3. Instead of the compulsory BAP activation ads. Consume the cheap ads instead, after the member's viewing/completion, he or she is then awarded the BAP, as a prize for viewing. No views, No BAP. This should be applied to all members, regardless of level, and ad filter settings. 4. Cap the number of ad purchases to 2 from PV earnings, before the member has to inject some of his or her own money. So 2 PV earning, 1 Actual. The member may have to cash out, in order to do this. But that in itself will create income from fees. Afterwards they can make another 2 purchases, befor adding more fresh funds. 5. In order to achieve 5, improve pay out times. This helps build the confidence of members, and therefore trust in the site. 6.As mentioned by lots of others in this thread. Create new products, not necessarily gaming/gambling. 7. Those games already in existence, should be on a separate site. Open to the general public, not just members of MTV/PV. I hope that these, or some of them, at least, will be helpful.
meworking
Traffic Value: $2,081.35489 India
01/02/2015
11:55
Before I could edit and add some more points, this was removed, so posting this again, sorry. Please mods delete my earlier post in this forum. Thank You!@Jo I am writing just my idea, like/dislike/adopt it, as you and all other members want. Your BAP swap maybe a great start at the start of the year for sure, but you accept it or not, it was a forced change of your BAP, and that too for a very bizare value, and we had to wait until our share reach the price, (though it never touched that price). Still, some in need for reaching the higher group, they sold there shares at whatever price they got, this price was used by high investors and those who had balance in there account. As of me, I am a medium investor, and even though was a big amount, I had to invest some of my money for a fresh start, and kept my shares, coz I know they have higher potential than selling it for low. But the real thing is, the higher potential of this comes from the success of MTV and its portfolio product (like games and PV). Ofcourse we don't know much about this system, and don't know what you have in your mind. But I don't think another BAP swap will do much help, even if you limit the investment, as many guys who have ton loads of shares, or those who have minimum knowledge about the system will panic sell for BAP, again giving the debt, and then will buy ad pack, or considering the current situation, will buy shares for cash, and sell for BAP. My suggestion for you is: 1) About the ad pack, make it back to 1$ only, and instead of 3100 BAP, make it 3000 BAP, and divide the 1$ into the following: - $0.1075 creates 40 instant ads, that get issued at random: 15x $0.0005, 15 x $0.001 , 5 x $0.005 4 x $0.01 and 1x $0.02 - $0.10 of each purchase pays your upline - $0.10 of each purchase is profit for the MTV Portfolio - $0.10 creates 10x 1% ads issued to the purchaser over 10 days - $0.10 creates 10x 1% ads issued at random to Super Users - $0.0925 is added to the daily ad issues, 2x5% per day. - $0.40 is invested at MTV, which now needs to return 2.4x in order to clear the reduced level of debt now created with each pack (previously it was 2.5x). 2) Make new games or outsource the games, you have so much money in the dev fund, you can just simply develop games from outside, and allow the main programmers in MTV to develop it and assign to the system, increasing the revenue. 3) Instead of real estate, hire 5 programmers/support staff, and assign each of them with some low order works, or the works which don't require much of main programmers attention, like usual support tickets, and some general coding processes. 4) Make the targeted ad issue thing more quicker, as that was what PV made for, and will be known for. 5) Make things here more automatic, like the share market. Earlier it took hours for the transfer of shares, but now it is quick. Similarly make the FTQ market buy thing automatic. Leave the cashout too automatic, but to save it from abuse or scam, make the cashout to be done automatically 5 days (you can change it, but make it fixed), and this will also give the shareholders with 5 days time to check and flag it. 6) Instead of the BAP swap, please change that to the ad swap, i.e. to swap the remaining ads which has to be delivered to shares (use the shares which you are going to create fresh for this purpose) (and the ad packs which was bought by paypal and payza to be refunded directly with the money in the paypal account of the user only, as this will avoid the problem with those payment processor, and I guess there is enough dev fund for this [EDIT : if this still will make a problem, then leave those ads bought by paypal and just swap those which will not be a problem at all, like from the earning balance, bitcoin, etc), with the above ad pack I told, you can deliver easily 40 ads randomly, and remaining 10 ads can be issued to other members in the daily ads issue. I know it is high, as it decreased some MTV profit thing, but this will make this more sustainable, and I believe that no where we can get 1.86 or 2.5 times our investment in for even 1 year, so repaying these plans for 130-140 days too will be fine, than the 90-100 days average. Ofcourse many will disagree, but I guess this will make it better and sustainable. 7) Use the shares according to what I have told above, and this will help the share market to build up one by one, and though this will make the market go down a bit, but will come back fast if there are no more cron, etc problems there. 8) Build new ideas which are told in the forum, there are many guys who tell of different and great ideas to rocket MTV growth, some of them which I remember is reff market, different games (small and classical ones), etc. 9) Another important thing is to find/assign another administrative, so that he/she can do the work, if you are not well/travelling/sleeping or anything else, as you too have a life like others say, but yes you chose this path, so work hard 10) Buying upgrades for BAP, and I propose these price: Recycle upgrade for 170 BAP Mini Upgrade for 9500 BAP Mega Upgrade for 63000 BAP Ad filter for 31000 BAP I know its a very high value for those upgrades, but this is only to those who want it, not necessary, and will reduce the debt ASAP, as many have more BAP than Cash, thus letting many guys to use there BAP easily. 11) And assign a programmer to make a program, so that those ads which where sent for circulation, and have some ads left in circulation, even though the visits bought where already delivered to terminate, and swap those ads in circulation with other ads which are still undelivered. 12) Make the activation ads as 20x10 BAP ads, and each ad increasing your PV 1 day active, thus more people will be forced to click those BAP ads, instead of just buying the BAP (advertisement) or through selling shares. This will make the PV more sustainable, letting more BAP ads to be clicked by not only the small users who require the BAP, but also the high BAP users. 13) Many are going to disagree this, but, for the higher groups who receive $100+ ads all at once, give them 10x$10 ads rather than 1 $100 ads, or 10x$100 ads for the $1000 once, or 20x$50 ads, which will make those big users too do the hard work (except mike mazzone who made the effort to work with the low profile users too) 14) If after all of this, if there are dev funds remaining, then go for buying up a new extension to old database, and server to fasten up this thing, rather than to wait till this hangs again. I know many of this things are already in your mind, and you want to do it, but are confused/busy or not able to handle all these things at once, or something like that, which is genuine according to me, you have a huge fanbase which are going to dislike me for all of this I have written, but I just wanted to say what I had in my mind, as I said at the start of my Post. Hope you do all of this one by one, and make this site even better. Hope you take this in a positive manner. Cheers!
hrjustinptc - Forum moderator
Traffic Value: $8,376.82638 United States
01/02/2015
11:56
I think the consensus here is definitely that we need to focus on using development funds to turn a profit. Aside from mandatory base functions for everyday usage and scale profitable products are number one priority. I do agree that chat function is not really a huge priority. But it should also help with communication and support. Once the chat function is built it should be a one time thing. A huge revenue stream would be to outsource the current products(games). One idea I have thought about for a while is to rent out all of the games. So then anyone can use the games on their site or even in a real world establishment. So someone could play them without needing an account here. A real world possibility could be as simple as setting up a computer or even supplying an arcade type console. It would be like a vending machine basically. The store/site would just pay to use the games they want. So they would would make the profits and also be responsible for setting up a payment system etc. I remember playing a game with a touchscreen at a bar a few times that took coins/bills. Something real world would take a while to really setup logistically. This could really be huge especially with the portfolio always expanding. Each product only has to be constructed once. So it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. There will always be the need to release updates to fix bugs or security patches. Some places might even pay out big time to have exclusiveness to new products. Definitely rather then trying to control and slow down growth the main focus should be to sustain it. Use developments fund in the most profitable way possible. This entire business model teaches people to focus on what would be most profitable for them. That should be the main focus for the business as well.
axl100
Traffic Value: $60.77536 Greece
01/02/2015
11:56
hey Pete, those things r doing all the scams before they stop paying, most the users will never reinvest here with such terms
crystal
Traffic Value: $741.22636 Netherlands
01/02/2015
11:56
Honest is honest, I made a computation mistake. FTQ growth required to clear que in 100 days is 1.1% a day instead of 15%, starting with 30k/day revenues. Not as bad as I thought.
PeteM
Traffic Value: $2,259.87519 Brunei Darussalam
01/02/2015
12:18
@axl100,Without fresh income, the sites can't be sustainable, and will be doomed to collapse/failure. There's a huge debt that has to be cleared. That can only be done through fresh investments. All members, including new ones, want the assurance that they are making a wise decision with their investments. It will only turn sour, and go south, without that investment.
pythagoras
Traffic Value: $4,007.84228 Netherlands
01/02/2015
12:21
The proposal is nothing else what PV has been in a more limited version,because back then the investment limit has been 30$ a week for 12 weeks. Back then shares were also not a possibility to get a position. So it is back to the roots?
hayrog01
Traffic Value: $822.81278 Australia
01/02/2015
12:31
hahahahA BAP fee to post a comment. Well that's not going to build a supportive community. People will be in fear of posting a legit question. If you read through the forum I would say 70% of posts are to do with support queries or ad delivery. How about getting these things sorted out and running smoothly. Then people (shareholders) would not have a reason to post asking about these things. Then maybe the topics and posts would change from negative to positive.
hyipmoney
Traffic Value: $101,199.99303 Malaysia
01/02/2015
13:15
Jo i doubt if you're really looking or gonna adopt any comment from user. Last Dec you posted your "plan B for BAP swap" and asked for comments too, but u just execute it without considering the complain/comment.Im not saying the BAP swap is right or what not, Im saying you'll just doing what's in your mind, regardless how we react/comment, that's your style. Only time can prove how effective is your plan. For me, I really feel pointless for you to open such topic in the brainstorming section. You would probably prefer to officially announce the change in the daily news, give us the plan date of execution. |