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bpc1234
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13/08/2019 11:10
Whats going on with Warclicks?

How much is it making?

How long till it at least breaks even at current profits.

This has been asked many times and ignored. 
slosumo - Administrator
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13/08/2019 12:20
@bpc To help clear out some of those things taking a bit of time from other work to give you some update on that. I'll keep it brief as I have a bunch of urgencies to sort this week, but can follow up on more details later on.

Essentially, the success if War Clicks is highly tied to CONSISTENT focus to it, which unfortunately via the start of preparation to build PTCshare, meant that I was not able to devote much time to it since April. And as I am needed behind most of the core code, progression, mechanics, the rest of the team can't really make major steps in some of the core direction of the game if I can't be around properly. A direction that would be needed to bring the game to higher consistent revenue, deploying to new platforms etc.

This meant that after our climb to consistent $8k+ revenues in March, we simply lost the snowball effect of growing the game. With no core updates, players leave much faster, it's harder to get promotion opportunities, not being able to fix pressing core issues in-time, it results in making it much harder for a game to keep up with new games, that are more updated.


So since April, the revenue has been swinging between $4-7k. But also, as there was much less focus/work done towards it, it also meant some of these months were actually profitable based for the amount of work done.

Right now, we've decided to severely limit work done on it, as without my full focus towards it it is simply inefficient to work full time on it or expect huge revenue increases in it. As for the company, my time right now is much better spent on improving PTCshare.

Meanwhile our programmer is working on some test projects (not at MTV's expense), learning and testing the waters fr some new concepts, so that when time comes we can fully focus on WC or another project like it, we'll have a much better workflow prepared, optimize our marketing, deployment and everything related to ensure a profitable product in X period.

WC is not being abandoned, we will simply optimize our time/costs spent on it towards most pressing changes to ensure it keeps earning and maintains a healthy playerbase. More specifically we'll use any of my extra available time towards most pressing updates and marketing that will focus on the "min -> max" improvements.

We will also begin work on a follow up "sub game", that will utilize a lot of the existing content and allow us to expand the brand with fresh launches in a short period of time. More details and what exactly we plan to do around that will be shared in September - right now there simply is not enough time to finalize the path forward, as most of my time is spent on PTCshare.


Our expansion to the polish portal has also been delayed due to delayed negotiations with them, and their joint company vacation, so some of our 2-3 week work on translations is pending their confirmation end of August.

Shortly put, the game will continue developing at a "min cost -> max output" development for the time being, with a more exact plan forward shared in late September when we finalize it.
bpc1234
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13/08/2019 13:00
To say I don't understand your business plan is an understatement.

Might as well get all the bad news out at once.

How much $ is WC in the negative?

No need for a novel. Just a $ number & then we can move on.

Negative $100k +???
MarcdeKoning - Administrator
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13/08/2019 13:12
We've been over this before.
My answer has been clear back then and remains the same. In case of doubt, feel free to look up my previous answer.
bpc1234
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13/08/2019 13:25
I must have missed the part that after all the $, effort, and seemingly ridiculously inflated claims of future WC revenue in this forum it all was just kicked to the curb@April. 

Wasn't it the all out focus on the company?

I thought a horrible idea to go all in on WC from the start so really its just closure at this point.

When was that posted? I''d like to look it up.
Seems like about now is when we found out but I'm not always on top of things.
MarcdeKoning - Administrator
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13/08/2019 17:16
It never was an "all in" focus, so your overall view on things indeed seems kinda skewed.
We focus on whatever is most valuable in that very moment, aiming to get to a profitable state in which we are able to market, expand the team and what not.
We have now reached that point and are expanding marketing, sales, SEO and more for PTCshare, Paidverts and PlayBitcoinGames.
All components are being worked on, but some more than others, as Andraz explained.
Our less hands on approach of Warclicks actually means we turn a monthly profit there, although the revenue is lower.
fraser
Traffic Value: $10,524.3446 Australia
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14/08/2019 02:24
I've been having a think about the BAP debt, and wondered if we're not going about it the wrong way.

Rather than thinking about ways we can take from the users (taxes, casinos etc.) how about we thought about ways we could give.

So what do people want and what could we give?

Well, rather than try and offer some physical good or service, we should focus on what digital assets users might value.  Here's a few examples:

1.  Gift cards.  What's to stop us offering major brand gift cards in direct exchange for BAP.  i.e. Apple App Store, Google Play, Amazon, eBay etc.  Let's say you had $50 worth of BAP, but you could exchange it for $40 worth of gift card.  This would be a 20% benefit for MTV (or even more if you could get bulk discounts on gift cards).

2.  How about allowing the purchase of Gold on Warclicks with BAP.  You wouldn't get as much gold as you would with the equivalent amount of cash, but it would essentially be burning BAP for free.  You might also bring users to ptcShare and Paidverts from the gaming platforms once they realised there was a 'free' way to get gold.

3.  What about merchandise.  This is more physical, but we could use or excellent graphics guys to design t-shirt, hats, stickers etc.  that could be sold for cash or BAP.  Cheaper for someone paying in cash, a bit more for someone burning BAP.  There could even be a store on the sites and you could gain APS points by buying merch.  You don't even need to carry stock, you could just use a service like RedBubble and place orders as they come in.

4. Users also want referrals, so how about accepting users ptcShare and Paidverts referral codes when you run advertising campaigns on external sites.  Again, users could pay in cash or BAP.

5. Bitcoin.  Or more appropriately Satoshis.  There's no doubt there are many people looking to stacksats.  How about a lightning network channel where users could burn BAP in exchange for 70-80% of that value in Satoshis?  A very low-fee option, so could be attractive even to free users with not that many BAPs to burn.

These are just a few ideas off the top of my head, but I'm sure others could think of things users want and then we could work out ways to either sell that to them or allow them to burn our debt.

Thoughts?
richiem
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14/08/2019 02:41
Amazing ideas @fraser !!!

I love all of them!

If the admin are low on spendable cash, maybe we can have a project funding item for it's development. 

Call it a BAP Store.
fraser
Traffic Value: $10,524.3446 Australia
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14/08/2019 03:11
Glad you like them Richie

There is definitely a value in good ideas, but the real skill is in implementing them.  I'm sure even if Marc / Slosumo like them, they'll also be thinking "yeah, thanks good, but how the hell are we supposed to do that with all the other plates we've got spinning".  So how's about this?

We adjust the Projects page to an internal and external projects.  Internal, obviously this is something controlled by the team, but external (could be called something like a BAP Bounty Project) is where users suggest ideas.  Mark and team accept or reject them.  Those they accept get scoped, i.e. details of exactly what is wanted and a BAP Bounty placed against it.

Any user that thinks they can implement the idea can put themselves forward.  After the idea is completed, all BAP reductions that come as a direct result of the work done are given to the person(s) doing the work until they've receive the full bounty.  After that all benefit goes to MTV.

Close to zero cost or risk to the business.  All risk taken by the individual, but they do so voluntarily.  You could even have a situation where say we offer a 1 million bounty and noone accepts, so after a month it becomes 1.2 million or something like that, until the bounty becomes attractive enough.
bpc1234
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14/08/2019 06:27
My last post on this:

"It never was an "all in" focus, so your overall view on things indeed seems kinda skewed."


??? How many times were you told that a labor intensive thing like WC was born to fail.   
You claim a profit...What   ___% a month ? More fantasy.

 Professionalism just not there to get a real number.

You endless BS is growing tired.  Why so childish? 
 We need an accounting of this entire company.
bpc1234
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14/08/2019 06:48
Where is the accountability? 
They have just thrown some much $ away to keep ____ employed.  Just dont care.
A disgrace...The FTQ could be paid off.  
MarcdeKoning - Administrator
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14/08/2019 09:25
You really have no clue what you´re talking about and it seems you´re just after "being right", which you´re not.

Warclicks wasn´t crowdfunded, so you didn´t pay for it.
If it wasn´t for us, MTV would be gone years ago like literally EVERY OTHER company in the industry.

And ONCE AGAIN Warclicks is turning a profit now, PTCshare is turning a profit and we are sharing that profit, so what else are you after other than being right?
totoer008
Traffic Value: $1,720.85798 France
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14/08/2019 12:13
What bpc is trying to get access is the real numbers behind the project. MTV is apparently all about transparency but we don’t have much numbers on projects that stall or are failing. I mean not all project are a success and we get that but having a long useless post saying how things are going isn’t the same as cold numbers. Honestly from the wording from Slosumo and you it’s clear that war clicks isn’t the bringer of cash as we might have fought and it’s okay but I also think we believe to know when something isn’t succeeding.
MarcdeKoning - Administrator
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14/08/2019 12:21
@fraser:

1. BAP isn´t money.
BAP is gained in various ways.
Bulk ad sales end up being development funds for 40%.
Therefore BAP can not directly be exchanged for items with a direct $-cost.

2. Separate databases, not possible.

3. We actually made a couple of Paidverts shirts in the past, then the post offices of Guatemala went bankrupt (Which is where our designer and distribution are) and now the only method to send those shirts is for like $100 a shirt.
And realistically.. With the amount of dedicated users on our forum we would perhaps sell 3-5 shirts..

4. How is this any different than any of our existing advertising methods?
In the past we´ve tried shared advertising pools more than once and the only time it got some traction was when a user (Dguy) proposed it once more and offered to run it himself.
Other than that it has been a very unpopular sell and whatever we program has to generate a return.

5. Sounds like an option to convert BAP to BTC, but with a 20% cost for the user?
Same applies as for answer 1.. We can´t do it as a BAP pool doesn´t mean we´re holding an equivalent amount in cash and holding it in processors or what not.

User balances are covered, BAP is not.

@Totoer:

I used to believe full transparency was the way to go and the way to get respected and have a horde of loyal supporters..
Here we are 4 years later..
During the first year we lost a major part of our database and from that point on more and more people left this forum.
We would see an overall decline, especially when bad news was shared.
And like said before: There are too many variables here and most people wouldn´t understand as we´re not dealing with accredited investors and entrepreneurs here.
We´re doing our best and have proven to be able to winter some serious storms (Most of which you don´t even know, as I mentioned several times before) and will continue to do so.
Those that have been around to support us during the worst will not be forgotten during our better phase.
totoer008
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14/08/2019 14:28
Yes I completely understand it, that’s why government have national secrets. People would go wild if some information would be leaked prematurely. However people don’t know about that and I think it’s to important to remind them that everything can’t be shared. Otherwise they are going to go nuts and spread even worst information. I still see post saying dubious things about MTV and co on different websites.
totoer008
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14/08/2019 14:31
On a different topic how complicated would it be to create a coin like the dodge one ? They don’t have a limit on the number of coins and it might attract attention from other peoples.
rayden1991
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14/08/2019 17:40
To pitch in to the topic at  hand, I am too a little bit concerned that there is no actual  exact numbers being answered  for a certain project , in this case WC. 

For me it would be awesome t have  numbers as how much we invested in a project  when we did it , how much was earned  etc. Just like we have here : https://mytrafficvalue.com/monetization.html 

Why not add WC there or PBG or PPMG or PTC share and then there wouldn't be any questions like BPC`s , right?


"I am needed behind most of the core code, progression, mechanics, the rest of the team can't really make major steps in some of the core direction of the game if I can't be around properly."

So wouldn't it be better that we educate the " rest of the team " so they could do more things. The way i see it from your post is that you are gonna burn your self out  prematurely  and lets not talk about risk for your health  , you have been there already. 

As for the company, my time right now is much better spent on improving PTCshare.


 educate  I mean  wouldn't it be better if you had a person/ small team improving WC  and then another team improving PV then one improving PBG or have only two teams and then cycle  all project between teams and you and yourself keep focusing on our newest  baby PTCshare  while just debriefing the team  working on other  projects wouldn't that be way better  than you alone work only on one project  and letting others stall as it is happening to WC. WC was making  8K $ per month  and then  without your  attention it went down to 4 to 7 K $. Wouldn't it be better if you trained a team to work on WC  to keep 8K profit per month and paid them  a salary of 1 to 3 K$.


If it wasn´t for us, MTV would be gone years ago like literally EVERY OTHER company in the industry.

You are complacently right here   i have been with MTV for a long time saw all the ups and downs and im so proud of this company and  people behind it.


I used to believe full transparency was the way to go and the way to get respected and have a horde of loyal supporters..
Here we are 4 years later.. 
During the first year we lost a major part of our database and from that point on more and more people left this forum.


Cmon  this is  not because of transparency  remember we had been entangled with a certain person that  promised mountains of gold but in stead we got left with debt of FTQ. Well what if i told you thats why most of people left and abandoned MTV cuz they derived that MTV is not gonna survive that crash.  What do you thing how many of those that left returned  back to PTCshare huh? A lot but they are too lousy to admit they were wrong.

And then boom : We´re doing our best and have proven to be able to winter some serious storms.


Marc i really like how MTV looked and how it is doing even better now, but please bring  back the transparency  in its fullest form numbers wise.


To finish with personal remark. I HATED lack of cold hard numbers stating exact standings of all new projects since WC. And if this was a new business and owners/admins started to be shady with numbers like you were man i would be out of there like yesterday.

Also remove the false statements banners and all advertisements that are circling our advertising channels . Like the one that still says " Hey guys come on in we are offering 110%/115% returns n your investment " boom awesome im going to register on this website . " Sorry we are not offering  this plan anymore " you know it looks like false advertising and frankly sucks  when you figure out that you cant invest like that.

Did you get any applications for a job opening in sales that was advertised ?  or is it a national top secretangel
slosumo - Administrator
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14/08/2019 18:10
Rayden due to the complexity of the project, code, balance it would take months of my time to pass on everything, meaning I couldn't focus on more pressing matters that bring more immediate value to MTV, and also having more staff on project would simply mean we'd be raising the profit point higher again.
You also need to note that after taxes, platform shares and projects shares MTV ends up with ~35% of the gross revenue, which would mean we'd have too increase profits quite a lot to make that worth it.

The most immediate goal with everything we do for MTV is bring it in as much profit as possible to pay off the FTQ as soon as possible. Every decision we make is based off that and trying to go in that direction. Also reasons for some decisions are often not straightforward without knowing the tens of tricky situations we have to consider with everything.

We realize that without the full picture many things are impossible to understand, and it is often very annoying (for a lack of a better word) to not be able to share that. We share as much as we can and keep you updated as we can, while all decisions we take are aimed to bring us closer to that goal.

We're always trying to optimize profits based on the situation we are in.
MarcdeKoning - Administrator
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14/08/2019 20:25
No application for the position yet, but I am training 2 people to do sales.
We are still looking for an EXPERT though, but will probably not find one until after we get our email list trimmed down and email the full database of users (which is an ongoing project of us atm) or if we go out and find one on fiverr for example. (Which will likely be a lot of back and forth, likely having to go through multiple people etc etc)
richiem
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15/08/2019 03:42
Just got a BAP tax of 500 BAPs today.

I think this might be an error. I have contacted support about this. Just want to let everyone know.

I have been logging in daily for the past months. My last bulk ad purchase was July 19, 2019.

This BAP tax amount is not what the admin said in this News Thread: https://mytrafficvalue.com/forum/news/july_5th_news/3.html
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